Revenge of the Sith- Oscars? (Merged)

Originally posted by vader519
Look there is no question that ROTS will be nominated. The other five movies were nominated before, so I am pretty sure it will be nominated. The question is who will it go against. I have been thinking of other possible movies. War of the Worlds, ILM basically going against itself, Fantastic Four, Sin City, King Kong, Batman Begins, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That is all I can think of right now. Anybody else have anymore movies.

Very True✅ if The Matrix and The Two Towers were never made, then TPM and AOTC would have atleast an oscar each. So im about 75% confident that ROTS will atleast get nominated for an award, but we wont know shit till we see the movie.

I just checked on some site and was amazed that TPM was nominated for 4 oscars😑

I think ROTS will win a special award for life time achievement as we all know its the last one and the academy some times like to reward extraordinary movies and considering there are 6 movies now and still going strong i think that deserves an award in it self.

i totally agree✅ it would be a crime if the Academy didnt

The sfx in all three matrix movies were awesome, no doubt about it. I know people complain about the neo smith fight, but they were awesome.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
My thoughts:

The Matrix totally deserved to win over TPM... I think the Bullettime thing has been discused enough here and I agree that it was a huge step. TPM just had some real crap stuff. Like the Eopie's or whatever the hell they are.

and yea, The Matrix sequels had awful VFX (especially Neo taking on the agents *cringe*) which is why they were'nt even nominated for oscars...

And AOTC didn't deserve the win either: Kamino, CG Jango (awful), CG Clonetroopers, younglings, the whole Dooku speeder chase, the cowthing Anakin rides... all horrible! god, I'm surprsed it even got nominated!

I'm not saying there weren't good shots... as mentioned Obi Wan's hand, Yoda was good most of the time...

the VFX Oscar is judged on "the basis of: (a) consideration of the contribution the visual effects make to the overall production and (b) the artistry, skill and fidelity with which the visual illusions are achieved."

For me Lucas uses CGI to an extent that really takes away from the "overall production"... of course I'll have to actually see the film to be able to judge it properly. But from what I've seen there are some shots that have me worried.

As for what was said earlier about the score, I'm not too sure what I said was true... ESB and ROTJ were both nominated for score even though they weren't entirely 'original'. As were HP I and II... For eligibility "The work must be specifically created for the eligible feature-length motion picture." ... so, I dunno

ya know, while I'm bickering about the overuse of CGI in these films I thought I wouldn't be surprised if ROTS isn't nominated for 'Best Animated Feature Film' which has to be "a motion picture of at least 70 minutes in running time with a significant number of the major characters animated, and in which animation figures in no less than 75% of the picture’s running time."

I'd say ROTS qualifies...

I'm kidding, of course 😉

Very well said Dodo. Let me make a few points as well. I agree with you mostly, although I prefer the OT puppet over the CG, in fact, yes I even prefer the puppet from Episode 1 over the CG one. And I agree that Lucas just uses CG too much. As far as the younglings, there were a few that were CGed over, but there are also real kids too...So I don't know what people were all saying about that. That was a great point too that ROTS could be entered in the best animated feature cateogy. How hilarious, but true. Most of the film is CG, besides basically its leading roles, who even occasionally have CG stuntdoubles.

There's no way ROTS will win for score. As he pointed out above, sequels don't get nominated again, its basically the same music. Although I do believe like someone mentioned, that maybe they will get a life time achievment award for the whole Star Wars trilogy. That would be cool, for I don't believe ROTS from what I've seen deserves to win in the fx category. Sin City, which I've seen already, is a lot better in that department, and there's still more films to come....(Watch out for Narnia...the same fx team (WETA) that made LOTR, which won fx for each film I believe)

Originally posted by hunchy
As far as the younglings, there were a few that were CGed over, but there are also real kids too...So I don't know what people were all saying about that.

yes, the kids are real, some have cg faces of aliens put over the kids faces. However, in that shot, while they're training, NONE of their ARMS are real. They are all CG. And on top of that, they have all been repositioned in the shot. So none of them are now standing in the spots they were during actual filming. I love how all these people have such strong opinions and they don't even really understand the effects they're seeing, its just hillarious! 🙄

Okay...I just watched AOTC last night...Its worse that I remember. Everything from matte lines in some live action compositing, so serious lighting and shadow issues, to some poor cloth interaction (Exception goes to Kaminoans), and some extremely terrible ground interaction (I'm talking about footprints not making marks in the dirt and complete absence of shadows sometimes...)

Making clone troopers CGI was a bad move...personally.

Another bad thing is the lack of atmosphere in some shots. I personally think this was a general big leap forward on this picture (The cloudy day, daylight haze, and particle elements during the battle)...but at night...Coruscant is gleaming with crystal clear light...even the buildings from far away. Shouldn't there be less luminosity in light coming from buildings far away?? Everything is too clear. Another spot this bugs me is in the Astroid chase...we already have reference to an astroid field...here the coloring and crisp detail...even on astroids at a distance...is annoying.

TTT had every right to win over this film.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Okay...I just watched AOTC last night...Its worse that I remember. Everything from matte lines in some live action compositing, so serious lighting and shadow issues, to some poor cloth interaction (Exception goes to Kaminoans), and some extremely terrible ground interaction (I'm talking about footprints not making marks in the dirt and complete absence of shadows sometimes...)

TTT had every right to win over this film.

I find it hilarious that you mention live-action compositing, when TTT has some of the worst composites I've seen (since they stopped being done optically, anyway). Look at the hobbits in the Boromir scene. Look at the hobbits riding Treebeard. Really pathetic.

Unno

BTW, to husky: WETA is not involved in the visual effects for Narnia. They were involved with the make-up / prosthetics and some of the models.

There's one film nobody has spoken of: Harry Potter 4. This film is supposed to have the highest budget of any film in history ($300 million), and anyone who has read the book will know about the incredible scenes that will make their way from the page to the screen (ie. First Task w/ dragons, hundreds of house-elves, etc.)

My picks for nominees: ROTS vs. WOTW vs. GOF

Let me clear a few things straight. While talking about the younglings, I said there were real kids mixed with some CG. I didn't go into detail about their arms being CG. First off, I noticed the scene looked awkward, but did not go frame by frame. No one needs to to tell that AOTC has some horrible fx shots. Secondly, where did you even hear that the arms are CG?

Yes, I agree making the clone troopers CG was a bad move. George Lucas loves his CGI a little too much.

The Lord of the Rings movies have far better effects than the new Star Wars films. I can't believe some people actually think that the PT has better fx than LOTR. That's pretty sad. I think that's why the LOTR movies won for visual effects every year and the PT never won...

And yes, I did mention Harry Potter 4 earlier, another film to look forward to being nominated as well.

And Unno, the name is HUNCHY, not HUSKY. And yes, WETA is working on the visuals for Narnia. Look at IMDB. Why would they make the props, costumes, etc, and not do visuals?

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
yes, the kids are real, some have cg faces of aliens put over the kids faces. However, in that shot, while they're training, NONE of their ARMS are real. They are all CG. And on top of that, they have all been repositioned in the shot. So none of them are now standing in the spots they were during actual filming. I love how all these people have such strong opinions and they don't even really understand the effects they're seeing, its just hillarious! 🙄

I just rewatched that scene and you're right... the effects are fine... I just really hate that scene.

The only real beef I have with the FX is at the very beginning when the kids are practicing with the saber against the remote... the movement of the arms and sabers just look so unnatural and.. just stupid. Though you could argue that they are using the force, but it still looks stupid. And Yoda doesn't look the best in that scene either. It's just a really dumb scene

Originally posted by hunchy
I prefer the OT puppet over the CG, in fact, yes I even prefer the puppet from Episode 1 over the CG one.

I kinda agree about the OT puppet, but TPM Yoda looked awful! ot only did he look awful but his facial movements were terrible. I don't know how they could've taken such as great step back after 20 years... OT Yoda was great though... but Frank Oz woulda had a helluva time puppeteering the Yoda vs. Dooku duel 😉

I agree. The movements of the younglings arms are choppy. I don't know if they're CG, but they look like he's moved them digitally into the positions they are supposed to be in.

I think the OT puppet was great. Far, far, far superior to the CG one. I'd take puppet over CG any day for Yoda. But as far as the fight scene, Yoda could have still been CG. He moves so damn fast you wouldn't be able to tell.

Originally posted by hunchy
Yes, I agree making the clone troopers CG was a bad move. George Lucas loves his CGI a little too much.

It's things like this that really annoy me. The Clonetroopers in AOTC looked horrible and there was absolutely no need for them all to be CG! even if they made a couple of costumes it woulda been a lot better.

and then you hear Lucas and especially Rob Coleman (man he's such a geek!) get all excited and say "we never even made one single clonetrooper costume, it's all CG"... like they're saying "ooh, look at me, look what I did. Ooh I'm sooo clever!"

🙄

I can never stand looking at Yoda's mouth when he is talking in tpm, it just goes up and down and the lip sink isn't good either.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
It's things like this that really annoy me. The Clonetroopers in AOTC looked horrible and there was absolutely no need for them all to be CG! even if they made a couple of costumes it woulda been a lot better.

and then you hear Lucas and especially Rob Coleman (man he's such a geek!) get all excited and say "we never even made one single clonetrooper costume, it's all CG"... like they're saying "ooh, look at me, look what I did. Ooh I'm sooo clever!"

🙄

True. They could have at least made some costumes, and either duplicated some like they used to do, or had the armies in the background CG. Just like Yoda could have been a puppet for most of the film, and CG during his fight scene...but oh well, its already done now.

Yup... but I'm afraid we'll be in for more of the same with ROTS. 🙁

Yeah...But it looks a little more improved in this one thankfully.

Originally posted by hunchy
Yeah...But it looks a little more improved in this one thankfully.

Agreed...so far.

Most of what I've seen does look quite a bit better... I just hope the rest of it is as well

but I have seen shots that make a worried 😐

True.