Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Problem is, that guy had a weapon, and massive reflexes... and massive strength and durability. 🙂And the element of surprise.
Problem is hulk has massive reflexes and massive strength and durability. Hell, even when colossus goes into metal form his reflexes becomes superhuman and durability also.
In both scenerios, superman got ass raped and like I said before destroyer>>>>>>both characters.
Originally posted by carver9So once again somebody puts all of the low showings on the table and leave the high showings out. Nice biased opinion Superman is on par with Thor i give Superman the win against him because of Supermans many abilities with that said no way is Surfer taking out two Gls and the strongest ones at that. It has been show that the Sufer can beat hurt by physically force too and they have a lot of 100 toners to give that force the Jla win easily.
Well surfer might could solo the jla since titus soloed them and one shotted superman and also a mistery rock guy just appeared in jla classified and one shotted superman again (dont forget, the guy isnt nothing but a brute fighter) and defeated the entire jla with nothing but brute force.For you all to say that hulk cant beat superman, superman recently got owned by two brute fighters and the sad thing about it, he was one shotted twice.
Thor and silver surfer wins.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Problem is, that guy had a weapon, and massive reflexes... and massive strength and durability. 🙂And the element of surprise.
Almost forgot, thor possess a weapon also that is>>>>titus weapon and thor also possess massive reflexes and massive strength and durability.
Originally posted by iceman24567
So once again somebody puts all of the low showings on the table and leave the high showings out. Nice biased opinion Superman is on par with Thor i give Superman the win against him because of Supermans many abilities with that said no way is Surfer taking out two Gls and the strongest ones at that. It has been show that the Sufer can beat hurt by physically force too and they have a lot of 100 toners to give that force the Jla win easily.
Im not putting his low showings on the table, Im putting his recent showings on the table and that is being owned by batman with the black rock. Getting stalemated by batman and batman kicks and punches are affecting him. Getting one shotted by titus and having a black eye during the process. Getting koed and humilated by a mystery guy in one panel. Now can you use some of thor recent showings against him. It has been years since i have seen thor one shotted from any character.
Originally posted by carver9😐
Problem is hulk has massive reflexes and massive strength and durability. Hell, even when colossus goes into metal form his reflexes becomes superhuman and durability also.In both scenerios, superman got ass raped and like I said before destroyer>>>>>>both characters.
Hulk got lucky connecting with Quicksilver... and that's all I have to say.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yet Thor would get beat by Superman alone with his weapon or without.
Or since thor reflexes is >> titus and strength is = titus and durability = titus but speed >> titus and fighting ability>>>>>> titus and weapon >>>>>> titus, I see superman getting his a** whipped. Why didnt he use that impressive speed that you all keep ranting about. Maybe because he dont have the combat speed that you all dream of. Maybe if you ask solomon grundy, someone who has also defeated superman and the jla by himself did he see any super combat speed from superman, you'll finally realize the truth.
Originally posted by carver9No you are putting his low showings on the table if his low showings equal his most recent showings oh well but it is what you are doing. Thor and The Surfer are capable of putting up a fight but not winning against the JLA in a straight up fight their are to many ways they could beat the pair. The flash could hit the Surfer with an Imp to weaken or Ko him if he is just stunned Wonder Woman puts her lasso around him and Thor is on his own and he falls sooner or later.
Im not putting his low showings on the table, Im putting his recent showings on the table and that is being owned by batman with the black rock. Getting stalemated by batman and batman kicks and punches are affecting him. Getting one shotted by titus and having a black eye during the process. Getting koed and humilated by a mystery guy in one panel. Now can you use some of thor recent showings against him. It has been years since i have seen thor one shotted from any character.
This is quite simply the stupidest thread in the history of KMC.
Anyone who stated that Silver Surfer and Thor have a ghost of a chance against the raw might of the Justice League of America plus an extra Green Lantern needs to go to the nearest men's clinic and get a vasectomy, so that he may never spread his befouled genetic expression to newer generations.....
Originally posted by carver9We are on Kmc Superman has used his speed enough to give me an advantage in a Kmc battle that's the point. I see Thor trying to slug it and they will probably stalemate but once Superman uses his speed he has the clear advantage and he wins.
Or since thor reflexes is >> titus and strength is = titus and durability = titus but speed >> titus and fighting ability>>>>>> titus and weapon >>>>>> titus, I see superman getting his a** whipped. Why didnt he use that impressive speed that you all keep ranting about. Maybe because he dont have the combat speed that you all dream of. Maybe if you ask solomon grundy, someone who has also defeated superman and the jla by himself did he see any super combat speed from superman, you'll finally realize the truth.
Originally posted by iceman24567
No you are putting his low showings on the table if his low showings equal his most recent showings oh well but it is what you are doing. Thor and The Surfer are capable of putting up a fight but not winning against the JLA in a straight up fight their are to many ways they could beat the pair. The flash could hit the Surfer with an Imp to weaken or Ko him if he is just stunned Wonder Woman puts her lasso around him and Thor is on his own and he falls sooner or later.
and you really think that its that easy since surfer is by far>>> anyone on the jla besides flash but to my knowledge and writers opinions, silver surfer is also faster then flash. Now lets go to thor, whos durability has increased. The reason that Im saying that his durability increased, as well as his power is due to the fact that for 1 he fought the destroyer by himself and there was gods watching him doing it in unbelief due to the fact that the destroyer is a killer of gods and thor is soloing it. Then he took the disintegrating blast to the chest and didnt even recognize it; a blast that killed gods and thor took it. Then last but least, he one shotted the destroyer, one of the most invulnerable characters in comics.
Then you have the surfer, a being that has yet to be pierced. Surfer has about every power that you can think of, then he has speed so that it would make it his attacks much easier to get in.
The jla will get the majority but if thor and surfer play there cards right (because by far, they are both the most powerful characters on the field) they could get some wins in.
Originally posted by carver9No they are not by the most powerful characters on the field the fact is Silver doesn't have nearly enough speed battle feats the FLash does but on Kmc Surfer still gets his speed even with his speed he can be tagged and Thor can be contained by one Gl if need be because either Gl is more powerful than Thor on their on. If The Gl's wanted to they could keep Thor in a energy shield and he would be helpless to stop them. No way in hell are they the two strongest characters on the field.
and you really think that its that easy since surfer is by far>>> anyone on the jla besides flash but to my knowledge and writers opinions, silver surfer is also faster then flash. Now lets go to thor, whos durability has increased. The reason that Im saying that his durability increased, as well as his power is due to the fact that for 1 he fought the destroyer by himself and there was gods watching him doing it in unbelief due to the fact that the destroyer is a killer of gods and thor is soloing it. Then he took the disintegrating blast to the chest and didnt even recognize it; a blast that killed gods and thor took it. Then last but least, he one shotted the destroyer, one of the most invulnerable characters in comics.Then you have the surfer, a being that has yet to be pierced. Surfer has about every power that you can think of, then he has speed so that it would make it his attacks much easier to get in.
The jla will get the majority but if thor and surfer play there cards right (because by far, they are both the most powerful characters on the field) they could get some wins in.
Originally posted by carver9And a lot of the time, he was using his speed... and has said that their reflexes were extremely good when this happened.
All I have to say is that almost every brute fighter in dc has tagged superman more then once in combat with him. Would you like for me to name at least 50% of them that has.
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Also, that guy soloed the JLA... are you really that biased to say he's weaker than Thor?
Originally posted by iceman24567
We are on Kmc Superman has used his speed enough to give me an advantage in a Kmc battle that's the point. I see Thor trying to slug it and they will probably stalemate but once Superman uses his speed he has the clear advantage and he wins.
I would like for you to do me a favor, you can use comics even from the 80's if you want. Show me at least 5 scans of superman using combat speed. Not flying to someone at a fast rate and hitting them, Im referring to super speed combat. The reason Im asking for 5 is due to the fact that I have seen thor fight at least 4 times at super speed but I still dont consider him to have combat speed.
You wont find the scans because like I said before its not something that superman, thor, silver surfer, wonderwoman, martian manhunter, etc... possess. The scans that you all have shown me, I have seen wolverine and spiderman do. Wolverine fighting the hulk and his hands are moving so fast that you see blurs of his hands. Wolverine moving so fast that he took out an entire team before they blink there eyes. Spiderman moving so fast that the avenger wasnt seeing nothing but a blurr, etc....
I want you to show me some scans of superman combat speed, then since everyone says that he fights at the speed of light, (which is stupid since flash struggles to reach the speed of light and when he does he summons the speed force. Or he has to absorb some outside power to go above the speed of light or reach the speed of light at a decent time), I would like for you to show me a scan where superman is fighting a character and it SAYS that he or they were fighting at the speed of light. Gladiator has flown 100 times the speed of light but that dont mean that he can FIGHT even close to the speed of light. Flight dont = combat speed. Thor has flown the speed of light but we all know the rest of that story.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistThis is the same guy saying a Blue Superman cracking Imperiex's armor was a low showing for Imperiex. Biased? 🙄
And a lot of the time, he was using his speed... and has said that their reflexes were extremely good when this happened.😐
Also, that guy soloed the JLA... are you really that biased to say he's weaker than Thor?
Originally posted by carver9😆
it was actually blue superman who cracked imperex hide and what on panel feats are you using thats going to bring odin down. I hope youre not refferring to the blast that he used against superman. Imperex was nothing but talk and no showing. I dont think that a blue superman could do anything to odin that odin dont want done to him.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And a lot of the time, he was using his speed... and has said that their reflexes were extremely good when this happened.😐
Also, that guy soloed the JLA... are you really that biased to say he's weaker than Thor?
1st, I didnt say that he was weaker then thor but isnt showing anything to make me think that he is stronger then thor either. The destroyer is stronger or equal to thor but thor defeated the monster with ease. Titus isnt any different from any foe that thor has fought and defeated alone.
2nd; you really dont get what Im trying to tell you do you. I know that superman uses his speed but his COMBAT speed isnt all that great to stop a character from hitting him. Yes, he flies at you real fast and punches you with mutiple of hits but his body is always open and thats how sharpnel, titus, solomon grundy, cheetah, mongul, lobo, orion, batman, kalibak, mongul daughter, imperex probes, etc... has tagged him.
Originally posted by carver9I don't need to show you or even want to show you them. Superman has fought at high speeds not every time he slugs it out but enough for me to say he can do it if need be. Like i said here on KMC if he is capable of doing in the comics he can do it in any battle he is in those are the rules live with it since you obviously are biased i rather not waste my time "debating" with you.
I would like for you to do me a favor, you can use comics even from the 80's if you want. Show me at least 5 scans of superman using combat speed. Not flying to someone at a fast rate and hitting them, Im referring to super speed combat. The reason Im asking for 5 is due to the fact that I have seen thor fight at least 4 times at super speed but I still dont consider him to have combat speed.You wont find the scans because like I said before its not something that superman, thor, silver surfer, wonderwoman, martian manhunter, etc... possess. The scans that you all have shown me, I have seen wolverine and spiderman do. Wolverine fighting the hulk and his hands are moving so fast that you see blurs of his hands. Wolverine moving so fast that he took out an entire team before they blink there eyes. Spiderman moving so fast that the avenger wasnt seeing nothing but a blurr, etc....
I want you to show me some scans of superman combat speed, then since everyone says that he fights at the speed of light, (which is stupid since flash struggles to reach the speed of light and when he does he summons the speed force. Or he has to absorb some outside power to go above the speed of light or reach the speed of light at a decent time), I would like for you to show me a scan where superman is fighting a character and it SAYS that he or they were fighting at the speed of light. Gladiator has flown 100 times the speed of light but that dont mean that he can FIGHT even close to the speed of light. Flight dont = combat speed. Thor has flown the speed of light but we all know the rest of that story.
Originally posted by iceman24567
This is the same guy saying a Blue Superman cracking Imperiex's armor was a low showing for Imperiex. Biased? 🙄
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Its not a low showing for superman but it is a low showing for a guy that he stated as being a destroyer of universes. To my knowledge blue superman got stalemated by doomsday. Blue superman was stated as being one of the most powerful characters in dcu but if imperex was so great like people state that he is, that attack shouldnt have worked against him.
Again, low showing for imperex. I dont care how you see it. Odin took attacks that shook the universe, imperex couldnt even take an attack that even doomsday shook off.
Originally posted by iceman24567
I don't need to show you or even want to show you them. Superman has fought at high speeds not every time he slugs it out but enough for me to say he can do it if need be. Like i said here on KMC if he is capable of doing in the comics he can do it in any battle he is in those are the rules live with it since you obviously are biased i rather not waste my time "debating" with you.
Well since that is said, I guess thor has combat speed also, which I dont think that either of them have it but I know for a fact that superman speed is greater then thors. What you will never learn is that thor will land a lot of blows on superman and superman will land more blows BUT difference is, thor has a magical hammer that would wear down superman and thor has godly durability that could take almost any punishment that superman dish out. All of thor powers would work on superman whereas superman heat vision would be cancelled out by the hammer and thor would laugh effortlessly at superman ice breathe since he can conjur up colder and heat nor ice works against him (fought on top of the sun).