Originally posted by Zen2nd
That would be correct if you weren't so wrong.Vash is too fast. Even faster than Dante. I'd like to see Dante dodge 1000 people firing at him.
It was actually 5 bullets that were used to stop the huge fist of furry, then 1 bullet to finish off the 35ft dude.
I'd like to see Dante survive a blast from this, and there is no way to dodge it it is to big too dodge!
I like to see Vash pull it off right in front of Dante, he'll be killed before he gets the chance to finish the attack. Vash isn't in Dante league, if sombody like Wolfwood can give him a good battle. Dante fight demons not just normal humans like Vash does. He fights Goaltings who are very fast, stronger, can fly, and have magical energy blasts they can trow out of there hands, Bloodgoats that's even more powerful than Goatlings, Grim Reapers and countless more. Those are just normal enemies.
Dante abilites- He has superspeed (far faster than the human eye or midlevel demons can see) and reflexes, superstrength, and superhealing. He can transfer his energy into any weapon he has, shooting them like energy blast and He can deflect energy blast with his eyes.
Dante transformation 1- All of his stats are enhanced and hes able to fly, shoot energy blast out of his hands, electricty that comes from his body, create an energy sword, and throw a giant energy dragon (it's about as big as Mundus whos about 25ft, maybe bigger. And he has a second transformation aswell, but I don't think he'll need to go that far, as his normal form is enough to off Vash.
Vash loses.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Ouch, damn, that was a bit harsh...
Mah bad, you're rubbing off on me more than I suspected... 😉
Seriously though, there's some illogical crap going on here... I respect a valid opinion, but Dante surviving an infinite amount of bullets? Please.
And superspeed is an overstatement. He doesn't move too fast for people to see. He moves too fast for them to fight him, but he doesn't do any vibrating invisible crap. Once again, Vash dodged all of the shots from a gattling gun without leaving the area that the bullets were concentrating on. That is RIDICULOUS speed. I'd say it's beyond even
someone like Quicksilver. Two machine gunners shot at Vash, other people in the room commented that they couldn't even tell he had moved after the bullets magically end up in the wall behind him.
Wolfwood can't give Vash a fight... He's not all that bad, but his sweet cross thing isn't really a problem against the speed incarnate that is Vash. Vash's biggest problem in almost every encounter is that he has absolutely no desire to hurt people, and will gladly sacrifice himself rather than see the others hurt.
And my mistake with the fist of fury thing too... 5, 3, same difference. Less than a full gunload, with enough left to kill the giant guy.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Mah bad, you're rubbing off on me more than I suspected... 😉Seriously though, there's some illogical crap going on here... I respect a valid opinion, but Dante surviving an infinite amount of bullets? Please.
Your not stoping Dante with bullets. Dante was walking while the Grim Reapers pierced him with there weapons, hes been stabed in the heart while being shocked, and got his body pierced body three energy bolts from Mundus and he was still ready to fight.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Mah bad, you're rubbing off on me more than I suspected... 😉Seriously though, there's some illogical crap going on here... I respect a valid opinion, but Dante surviving an infinite amount of bullets? Please.
And superspeed is an overstatement. He doesn't move too fast for people to see. He moves too fast for them to fight him, but he doesn't do any vibrating invisible crap. Once again, Vash dodged all of the shots from a gattling gun without leaving the area that the bullets were concentrating on. That is RIDICULOUS speed. I'd say it's beyond even
someone like Quicksilver. Two machine gunners shot at Vash, other people in the room commented that they couldn't even tell he had moved after the bullets magically end up in the wall behind him.Wolfwood can't give Vash a fight... He's not all that bad, but his sweet cross thing isn't really a problem against the speed incarnate that is Vash. Vash's biggest problem in almost every encounter is that he has absolutely no desire to hurt people, and will gladly sacrifice himself rather than see the others hurt.
And my mistake with the fist of fury thing too... 5, 3, same difference. Less than a full gunload, with enough left to kill the giant guy.
Dante moves so fast that every thing around him is moving slow and he stops time once he gain the ability quicksilver.
Dante's durable, but not to the point of invincibility... Enough physical force can hurt and kill him, like 50 or so bullets to the skull. He isn't affected much by small numbers of stuff, but if it continues, he wears down. Bullets hurt and kill him ingame. Would Capcom really make him both physically invulnerable and susceptible to bullets in the same game? Heck no. He dies from bullets, just a heck of a lot more of them than any normal human would take.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Dante's durable, but not to the point of invincibility... Enough physical force can hurt and kill him, like 50 or so bullets to the skull. He isn't affected much by small numbers of stuff, but if it continues, he wears down. Bullets hurt and kill him ingame. Would Capcom really make him both physically invulnerable and susceptible to bullets in the same game? Heck no. He dies from bullets, just a heck of a lot more of them than any normal human would take.
He's like an undead (half Human half Demon, with the blood of his father Sparda, one of the most powerful Demons) in his normal form, but once he transform he becomes more durable as no bullets or rokcets will stop him at all.
And he can't transform without hitting people, so none of his better forms will be available to him, as Vash can dodge pretty much anything to infinity.
If Dante starts with his Devil Trigger ready, Vash starts with the Angel Arm deployed and charged. It's that simple. You give one guy an advantage, you give the other guy one too.
Originally posted by Dizzle
And he can't transform without hitting people, so none of his better forms will be available to him, as Vash can dodge pretty much anything to infinity.If Dante starts with his Devil Trigger ready, Vash starts with the Angel Arm deployed and charged. It's that simple. You give one guy an advantage, you give the other guy one too.
He can transform without hitting his opponent, when your playing with him game wise, yes; but he really can use that when ever he feel like transforming, like he did against, Vergil and Mundus. He uses it only against powerful beings. And Vash can't dodge anything to infinity because hes been hit countless of times, and Dante is much faster than him anyways. I never gave any of them the advantage over the other either.
Dante? Faster? Has he ever done ANYTHING remotely as significant as dodging machine gun fire? Vash does so with ease. The only people who hit him during a real fight are those who are even faster than he is. And they are few and far between.
Ah yes, I forgot Dante's new automatic and infinite Devil Triggers to go along with his physical invulnerability. My mistake. (we calls it sarcasm)
Originally posted by Dizzle
Dante? Faster? Has he ever done ANYTHING remotely as significant as dodging machine gun fire? Vash does so with ease. The only people who hit him during a real fight are those who are even faster than he is. And they are few and far between.Ah yes, I forgot Dante's new automatic and infinite Devil Triggers to go along with his physical invulnerability. My mistake. (we calls it sarcasm)
Dante dodge bullets with little effort when he wants to dodge them (even though he doesn't have to), he moves so fast that every body around him is moving slow and once he gain the ability quick silver he can stop time with no problem, his brother Vergil is lightnning fast, he zips around the screen with little effort without transforming. And yes he can transform any time he wants to, like he did against Mundus and Vergil in there final battle. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
Dante dodge bullets with little effort when he wants to dodge them (even though he doesn't have to), he moves so fast that every body around him is moving slow and once he gain the ability quick silver he can stop time with no problem, his brother Vergil is lightnning fast, he zips around the screen with little effort without transforming. And yes he can transform any time he wants to, like he did against Mundus and Vergil in there final battle. 🙂
Dante dodges single shots at a time from a pistol. Vash dodges continuous fire from automatic weapons. HUGE difference. Vash has fought people who slow down time before... And won.
Mundus and Vergil are the kind of special scenario types of things... Akin to adrenaline, if you will. A normal person can sprint 3 miles when fearing for their life. Vergil and Mundus put Dante into a situation he knows he cannot win on his own, which powers him up so he transforms. He's never shown the ability to just randomly fill his DT meter.
I don't think I've EVER seen Vash flat out miss a target. Dante's head is no problem. This is a guy who redirecs bullets by throwing pebbles... It's like Bullseye x a billion.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Dante dodges single shots at a time from a pistol. Vash dodges continuous fire from automatic weapons. HUGE difference. Vash has fought people who slow down time before... And won.Mundus and Vergil are the kind of special scenario types of things... Akin to adrenaline, if you will. A normal person can sprint 3 miles when fearing for their life. Vergil and Mundus put Dante into a situation he knows he cannot win on his own, which powers him up so he transforms. He's never shown the ability to just randomly fill his DT meter.
I don't think I've EVER seen Vash flat out miss a target. Dante's head is no problem. This is a guy who redirecs bullets by throwing pebbles... It's like Bullseye x a billion.
Vash bullets doen't hurt Dante, and Vash isn't close to being as fast as Dante. Dante moves so fast that it looks like hes teleporting, he moves so fast that every demon around him appears to be moving slow, he fights his brother Vergil at high speeds whos dodges and deflect his bullets with his sword with little effort, he fight Demons that have super speed/teleport, he uses demon his demon magic to gilde and use superspeed in mid air, and demons who can stop time like him. Vergil (DMC3 he refused to use his powers, but once Vergil start using it against him, he need to use it in oder to match him) Mundus (Again Dante had no problem useing his powers against Mundus either, and this is when hes more experinced with his powers in DMC1) or The Despair Embodied (hes in DMC2, whos also another powerful being). Vash loses this fight.
Originally posted by dvampire
Vash bullets doen't hurt Dante, and Vash isn't close to being as fast as Dante. Dante moves so fast that it looks like hes teleporting, he moves so fast that every demon around him appears to be moving slow, he fights his brother Vergil at high speeds whos dodges and deflect his bullets with his sword with little effort, he fight Demons that have super speed/teleport, he uses demon his demon magic to gilde and use superspeed in mid air, and demons who can stop time like him. Vergil (DMC3 he refused to use his powers, but once Vergil start using it against him, he need to use it in oder to match him) Mundus (Again Dante had no problem useing his powers against Mundus either, and this is when hes more experinced with his powers in DMC1) or The Despair Embodied (hes in DMC2, whos also another powerful being). Vash loses this fight.
You maintain your argument of physical invulnerability. If he's now immune to A) Any amount of bullets B) Swords, any kind of melee weapons C) Everything that doesn't leave him a pile of ash, what do you think it would take to kill Dante? Keep in mind, he dies from everything you say he is completely immune to in ALL 3 GAMES.
Dante is fast, Vash is faster. 3 dudes with machine guns fire at Vash. When they stop, Vash is standing in the exact same spot, with a big load of bullet holes behind him. Millie (I think it was her) comments that she couldn't even tell that Vash had moved.
Vergil is faster than Dante. You prove nothing.
Dante doesn't typically look like he's teleporting. And has never shown the ability to dodge something like machine gun fire, which Vash does fairly easily.
Dante's fast, Vash is faster. Dante doesn't die very easily. Vash has a whole lot of bullets.