Vash The Stampede V.s. Dante

Originally posted by Dizzle
You maintain your argument of physical invulnerability. If he's now immune to A) Any amount of bullets B) Swords, any kind of melee weapons C) Everything that doesn't leave him a pile of ash, what do you think it would take to kill Dante? Keep in mind, he dies from everything you say he is completely immune to in ALL 3 GAMES.

Dante is fast, Vash is faster. 3 dudes with machine guns fire at Vash. When they stop, Vash is standing in the exact same spot, with a big load of bullet holes behind him. Millie (I think it was her) comments that she couldn't even tell that Vash had moved.

Vergil is faster than Dante. You prove nothing.

Dante doesn't typically look like he's teleporting. And has never shown the ability to dodge something like machine gun fire, which Vash does fairly easily.

Dante's fast, Vash is faster. Dante doesn't die very easily. Vash has a whole lot of bullets.

Dante is faster lighting fast, when he moves it's like hes teleporting, he can stop time, he fights at high speeds, he can use demon magic to glide him through the mid air, he could use superspeed while in mid air, he dodges bullets with little effort, Dantes has superhealing, superstrength, and has transformations.

Of corse Dante dies when your actually playing the game (if you don't know how to play), but he does all that stuff in cutscenes which is what he could really do and is part of the actual storyline.

Dante fights all sorts of demons and godlike beings, while Vash is still fighting having problems with humans. Dante wins.

you just keep repeating yourself dvampire, Even once your arguments have been quashed you still repeat them... give it up with this transformations rubbish, We all know hes not doing that in battle.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
you just keep repeating yourself dvampire, Even once your arguments have been quashed you still repeat them... give it up with this transformations rubbish, We all know hes not doing that in battle.

You also keep repeating your self. Like I said Dante win this battle with ease. And why can't he transform, it's part of his powers? I proved my argument. 😕

Originally posted by dvampire
Dante is faster lighting fast, when he moves it's like hes teleporting, he can stop time, he fights at high speeds, he can use demon magic to glide him through the mid air, he could use superspeed while in mid air, he dodges bullets with little effort, Dantes has superhealing, superstrength, and has transformations.

Of corse Dante dies when your actually playing the game (if you don't know how to play), but he does all that stuff in cutscenes which is what he could really do and is part of the actual storyline.

Dante fights all sorts of demons and godlike beings, while Vash is still fighting having problems with humans. Dante wins.

Yes, how fast is "lighting fast", exactly?

In cutscenes, Dante takes a maximum of 3 bullets to the head. It can be reasonably seen that he can take a few more, but that doesn't mean infinite. He got impaled onj a sword, but that doesn't make him immune to all attacks by a sword. He's durable, but bullets do damage to him, and therefore can kill him. You have proven nothing other than saying over and over that Dante takes an infinite amount of bullets, which is complete crap. He takes more than 3 in game as well as the cutscene, but they can still kill him.

In terms of speed, you have NO argument. Vergil moves fast, but is faster than Dante, so he proves nothing. Dante dodging a few single shots is his best showing. Vash regularly dodges automatic fire. Dante doesn't move too fast to see on a normal basis... Vash has proven he can fairly easily.

Vash doesn't have problems with normal humans... He's taken thousands at a time. He fights enhanced people. One of them had the power to slow time. Vash still won. His borther was actually faster than he was. Vash still won.

And even good DMC players get hit and get hurt. The game's hard enough (on a reasonable difficulty) that it's nigh-on impossible to beat the whole thing without messing up enough to die once.

I promised myself I wouldn't get involved it this thread.... looks like I am breaking a promise to myself...

Vash is hardly untouchable... he has been plugged with bullets as often as he's dodged them, so to say that he'll dodge absolutely everything is crap, added to that that Dante is a trickshot (DMC3 Gunslinger fighting style says alot)

Dante soaks up bullets, not infinitely, but I'd venture a guess that a guy who regularly gets impaled, shot heaps of times, blown up, stabbed, cleaved into, shocked, magically attacked and more will be walking through alot more than 3 bullets... And lets not forget that when vash lands a hit with his gun, he's powering up Dante's Devil Trigger, AND when Dante lands an attack, that also powers up the DT, and it doesn't take that long either...

Dantre's sword techniques give him a massive upper hand in close combat, Vash's speed is merely hyper reflexes, Dante's moves (Cites the Aquiring Alastor cutscene as proof) That whole Kata Scene with the sword was done even before any of the glass from the lightning bolt hit the floor... How can vash compete with that kind of speed (And no, thats not slowing down time... Nice try)

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I promised myself I wouldn't get involved it this thread.... looks like I am breaking a promise to myself...

Vash is hardly untouchable... he has been plugged with bullets as often as he's dodged them, so to say that he'll dodge absolutely everything is crap, added to that that Dante is a trickshot (DMC3 Gunslinger fighting style says alot)

Dante soaks up bullets, not infinitely, but I'd venture a guess that a guy who regularly gets impaled, shot heaps of times, blown up, stabbed, cleaved into, shocked, magically attacked and more will be walking through alot more than 3 bullets... And lets not forget that when vash lands a hit with his gun, he's powering up Dante's Devil Trigger, AND when Dante lands an attack, that also powers up the DT, and it doesn't take that long either...

Dantre's sword techniques give him a massive upper hand in close combat, Vash's speed is merely hyper reflexes, Dante's moves (Cites the Aquiring Alastor cutscene as proof) That whole Kata Scene with the sword was done even before any of the glass from the lightning bolt hit the floor... How can vash compete with that kind of speed (And no, thats not slowing down time... Nice try)

Someone who finally knows what they're talking about. Thanks for the Dante support!😐

Just doing my job and clearing misconceptions...

Dante would fair evenly in a shootout with Vash, of this I have no question, simply because for all the shots Dante has soaked up, he's also dodged just as many, if not more...

Tell me, can vash survive being stabbed through the guts by a sword as tall as he is? any one of Dante's swords could kill him in one blow, they are all massive, heavy and swung like a short sword thanks to Dante's super strength, Oh BTW, I read earlier some really Biased posts: Like vash starting out with the Angel Arm Already deployed and ready to fire.... Yet Dante doesn't start with Full DT? Right... Ok...

2 Dante only gets his Super human abilities through DTing? Wrong, Dante has performed feats outside of his demon forms... The start of DMC1 for example he stopped that bike from crashing on toip of him with mere thought. he has superstrength (Not Hulk level or anything like that, but certainly higher than peak human) He has Beyond peak human speed, reflexes, and reaction time. Plus his accuracy with his guns are better than most I've seen (Even moreso than Revolver Ocelot.)

Vash is hardly untouchable... he has been plugged with bullets as often as he's dodged them,

The simple reason for that is that he's trying not to kill the people. Every person hes gone againts hes tried not to kill them.

Like vash starting out with the Angel Arm Already deployed and ready to fire.... Yet Dante doesn't start with Full DT? Right... Ok...

But your making one mistake. Dante has to earn his DT by fighting and building up that power but for Vash its just another weapon for him that he can use anytime he wants.

Tell me, can vash survive being stabbed through the guts by a sword as tall as he is?

Vash ain't that stupid to get impaled in the first place.

The start of DMC1 for example he stopped that bike from crashing on toip of him with mere thought. he has superstrength

Yet you can't do that when playing the game.

Plus his accuracy with his guns are better than most I've seen (Even moreso than Revolver Ocelot.)

That one actually made me laugh. Vash has better accuracy than Dante. I'd like to see Dante hit a guy from the ground who's on the second floor with two people in the way and hit the guy's gun while being
around 500 metres away with just a handgun.

... How can vash compete with that kind of speed (And no, thats not slowing down time... Nice try)

Vash was able to run then leap infront of a speeding giant fist and then put 5 bullets into it all under 1 second. How is that not fast?

Yet I again I have to say, Dante dies in the game he will die at the hands of Vash

Originally posted by dvampire
Dante moves so fast that every thing around him is moving slow and he stops time once he gain the ability quicksilver.

Dante hands down. I'm not completely ceartain of the extent of his power, like I don't know if demons are immortal or what, but I doubt Vash'es bullets won't HURT Dante. They work on simaler fighting styles, but Dante can also wield a sword like nobody's buisness, and when Vash runs out of bullets what then? Sure he could use his suprise tactic of a sub-machine gun arm, but again, it's only prolonging the agony.. And not only does the angel-arm take a massive amount of time to power, but it's far too risky of destroying Vash himself because he doesn't know how to control it, also Vash is far too soft on others to be a large threat to Dante.

Not to meation from the previews I saw of Devil May Cry, Dante doesn't have an ounce of sleep, every waking moment is spent slaying monsters and creatures that would eat your soul if given half the chance. Vash mostly just travels and perhaps fights a band of thugs or one on one battles.. Dante is more agressive, use to worse odds, and isn't afraid to cause bloodshed. So inevitably he wins. Power isn't everything..

Spelljammer Spelljammer don't go buy the anime. Manga Vash isn't a big goofball. And he can control his angel arm. And he'll kill when he wants to. Anime is usually toned down to make it look good. I believe someone has already stated that Vash can fire weaker but still powerful shots from his angel arm. He's also stronger. Vash did take Knive's gun by the way. Which would mean double angel arm at half power each would have the same effect as a single angel arm which would mean what? Dante's molecules scattered throughout the planet.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Yes, how fast is "lighting fast", exactly?

Vash doesn't have problems with normal humans... He's taken thousands at a time. He fights enhanced people. One of them had the power to slow time. Vash still won. His borther was actually faster than he was. Vash still won.

And even good DMC players get hit and get hurt. The game's hard enough (on a reasonable difficulty) that it's nigh-on impossible to beat the whole thing without messing up enough to die once.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I promised myself I wouldn't get involved it this thread.... looks like I am breaking a promise to myself...

Vash is hardly untouchable... he has been plugged with bullets as often as he's dodged them, so to say that he'll dodge absolutely everything is crap, added to that that Dante is a trickshot (DMC3 Gunslinger fighting style says alot)

Dante soaks up bullets, not infinitely, but I'd venture a guess that a guy who regularly gets impaled, shot heaps of times, blown up, stabbed, cleaved into, shocked, magically attacked and more will be walking through alot more than 3 bullets... And lets not forget that when vash lands a hit with his gun, he's powering up Dante's Devil Trigger, AND when Dante lands an attack, that also powers up the DT, and it doesn't take that long either...

Dantre's sword techniques give him a massive upper hand in close combat, Vash's speed is merely hyper reflexes, Dante's moves (Cites the Aquiring Alastor cutscene as proof) That whole Kata Scene with the sword was done even before any of the glass from the lightning bolt hit the floor... How can vash compete with that kind of speed (And no, thats not slowing down time... Nice try)

Vash is VERY nearly untouchable. His speed feats beat the crap out of Dante's... Throwing pebbles to redirect bullets, dodging machine gun fire without much effort, dodging the shots of an entire town assembled against him, etc. He gets hit when A: He's stopping the bullet from hitting someone else. B: The people he's fighting are just plain faster than he is. (hey, it's not a good show if he doesn't have villains as good as he is... Superman got killed by Doomsday, does everyone above human strength beat him now?)

I said "Vash starts with the AA" in response to "Dante starts the fight with his Sparda Devil Trigger and kills Vash". Retaliation to a pointless argument with yet more pointless argument, nothing more. Very sorry for the misunderstanding.

Dante's Devil Trigger takes a long while to power up from damage soaking. Getting hit adds much less than hitting someone.

And I never said 3 bullets would kill Dante. I said that bullets will eventually kill him. Vash carries a lot, 50 isn't so inconceivable a number.

Yes, sword vs. no sword is a Dante advantage. However, getting close would involve a lot of bullets entering his skull. Not to mention that ANY smart fighter would be keeping plenty of ground between themselves and their opponent when he has a sword and you have a gun.

Did you guys forget Vash is a genius. It takes a lot of brain power to do what he does. His IQ has to be like 375. Dr. Eggman's IQ is 300 and he doesn't calculate physics just by looking at something. Vash could use his brain to beat Dante. He could most like fire a bullet into Dante's gun and jam them. Then Dante would have to resort to melee weapons because he would figure out projectiles wouldn't work on Vash's Super-Hyper-Ultra speed. If Vash can dodge bullets without trying how would Dante even land a hit. It's not like Dante can carry all his weapons at once, hence the divinity statues. And don't try to say he'd just slow down time because if that was the case he would've in the final battle with Vergil. Now how do I know that. Dante isn't in to that easy fighting. Anything you guys say now is just pulling s**t out of your a**

And Dizzle sorry about confusing you with dvampire.

Originally posted by theobvious
Did you guys forget Vash is a genius. It takes a lot of brain power to do what he does. His IQ has to be like 375. Dr. Eggman's IQ is 300 and he doesn't calculate physics just by looking at something. Vash could use his brain to beat Dante. He could most like fire a bullet into Dante's gun and jam them. Then Dante would have to resort to melee weapons because he would figure out projectiles wouldn't work on Vash's Super-Hyper-Ultra speed. If Vash can dodge bullets without trying how would Dante even land a hit. It's not like Dante can carry all his weapons at once, hence the divinity statues. And don't try to say he'd just slow down time because if that was the case he would've in the final battle with Vergil. Now how do I know that. Dante isn't in to that easy fighting. Anything you guys say now is just pulling s**t out of your a**

*Ahem!*
Dante wins BECAUSE:
Vash acts like a little boy.
And hangs around a Catholic priest.

Vash acts like a little boy.

Well that was childish. Have you even read the manga for Trigun?

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Allow me to do ONE more magick trick then.. *Cracks knuckles*

*Ahem!*
Dante wins BECAUSE:
Vash acts like a little boy.
And hangs around a Catholic priest.

Vash wins because:
His personality has been changed into psycho killer mode for this fight. And Vash isn't especially childish... He has a strong sense of morals and isn't always deadly serious, but he's far from stupid.

Wolfwood isn't your average priest. How many do you know that carry a giant gun in the shape of a cross?

And yes, I get the little boy+priest reference... Though that in itself is pretty little boyish, if anyone asked my opinion.

Dante doesn't have to hit Vash, he can pick up items to gain Devil trigger or if he gets hit, he will automatically gain it as well.

Items? What items? There will be no items!

When Dante gets hit he gains DT very very very slowly.