Re: Re: My Question
Originally posted by Jury
Faith alone cannot save a man.
And works, having no faith at all, do not merit a man to enter the heavenly abode.But according to God's mercy, He saves us.
This mercy is THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord... by following God's will, which He purposed in Christ since the world began.
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Faith ha. Religion is crap, invented by man to make money and to gain power thorugh manipulation and...holy shit...it worked! The church is THE most profitable buisness in the world and only those who refuse to pay out are free of its hold, othe than their belief. God as said by Jesus is the father of earth, he created it in his image to prosper, much like why we have ant farms, to watch somthing you control grow on it's own. Religion is a BUISNESS CREATED BY MAN TO CONTROL AND PROFIT THROUGH MANIPULATION as i have said above. God let's those who have kindness and compassion in their heart (among other qualities) into heaven, Our athiest subject when he comes face to face with god will either believe or continue denial (although i do believe in the possibilities that god may or may not exist) he will be let into heaven to eventually come to the conclusion that "hey, god does exist" unless it turns out he's right and once he dies, he simply stops sxisting on earth.
But Hell was taken from the Persians...Don't you realize that. It's not in the OT. The Jews don't believe in it...It was never taught by Them, and Jesus was a Jew...I'm sure the Jews would say, Hey, what is this hell thing...this was invented, cause our god never talked about a hell..Hell was adapted in the 2nd century by the church...Really, it was.
The idea of eternal punishment for unbelievers are found in both the OT and NT.
Prepare a place to slaughter his sons
for the sins of their forefathers;
they are not to rise to inherit the land
and cover the earth with their cities.
Isaiah 14:21, NIV
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:11-15, NIV
The idea of Hell was imposed in the 2nd century by the church..The book of Revelation was not part of the cannon...Revelation was the most controversial book and was constantly taken in and out of the cannon depending on what Pope was in power...This information is in a Catholic book that I have. 📖
Also notice that your quote of Isiah IS NOT ETERNAL PUNISHMENT..AND
there are other writings by Isaiah as well not included in cannon...Have you not wondered why??? They are more Gnostic...The church didn't like the Gnostic's because they didn't have an eternal hell for the church to be able to manipulate them with..They believed in the inward worship of God and not the outward rituals. The church is concerned with the outward. There were more Gnostic texts then non Gnostic tests...
Prepare a place to slaughter his sons
for the sins of their forefathers;
they are not to rise to inherit the land
and cover the earth with their cities.
Isaiah 14:21, NIV
The ones (who had gone thru First Death) who will rise to inherit the land (the eternal life) are those included in the First Resurrection.
And the ones who will not rise to inherit the land (but to rise for judgment in the Second Death) are those will be part of the Second Resurrection:
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:11-15, NIV
You already posted those verses...And yes I was raised with the same view of the first and second resurrection and the Great White Thrown judgement. I already posted my reply, but keep in mind that in Rev..it doesn't say eternal burning...or eternal punishing..SO, according to this verse, the dead are resurrected to be judged and thrown into the fire to be burnt up..gone forever...NOW, if these people died and went to Hell, they just got a small break..They got out of burning torment to be judged and thrown back into burning torment, if you believe that hell is forever burning...Doesn't make sense does it?