My Question

Originally posted by Punker69
My Bible says "lest any man be born again of the water and of the spirit they shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." What about yours?

Holy Spirit.

Bob and Joe will receive the cause and effects related to their actions here in this life. There is a good chance that people around Bob and Joe know how they are and treat them accordingly. I doubt Bob has very many honest friends, were as, Joe has great friends. If you are a good person, you will draw to you good people, but if you are a bad person you will have bad people around you. Bob will go through hell in this life time because of the things he has done, but Joe with live in heaven because of the good people he has around him. When they both die, they will be reborn, but the karma they have gathered in this lifetime will fallow then into the next.

Is the concept of hell in Christianity compatible with the existence of a God which is perfectly loving?

Originally posted by Storm
Is the concept of hell in Christianity compatible with the existence of a God which is perfectly loving?

I would think not.

Originally posted by Storm
Is the concept of hell in Christianity compatible with the existence of a God which is perfectly loving?

If you choose to serve a life that glorifys Satan and not God and you reject his word at every cost he cannot let you into his kingdom. Besides, how hard is it to follow the word that he's set out for you. He doesn't ask for alot except that you give him the same love and admiration he's given you. If you cant see that then why should you go to heaven?

But Satans not real...........

Bob would not go to heaven unless he repented of his sins, and, from the sounds of it, that would be a long and painful process. Joe, on the other hand, wouldn't go to the highest glory in heaven, but would go to heaven nonetheless. You see, I don't believe that religion is everything. If you're a really great person, but not of the true church, you'll still be well thought of by God and let into his kingdom. If you're a member of the true church, however, and sin constantly with no remorse, than God still wouldn't like you any more than if you were an atheist. I hope that's a satisfactory explanation for you. Alright, let the anti-Christian comments flow.

I wouldn' t consider worshipping a God where a person’ s eternal fate is not being decided upon based on their actions, but merely on their decision to believe.

Originally posted by Storm
I wouldn' t consider worshipping a God where a person’ s eternal fate is not being decided upon based on their actions, but merely on their decision to believe.

Thats whats so troubling.

Originally posted by RedAlertv2
Okay here is a scenario involving the fictional characters of bob and joe

Bob is a devout Christian. goes to church every Sunday, prays, and loves Jesus. But Bob is a bad person. He does nothing that doesnt benefit himself, and lies and cheats to get his way. but bob also genuinely believes in and loves God. He is a truly religious person

On the other hand, Bob's neighbor Joe is a great guy. He does community service, is always honest, and never cheats or steals. But Joe is also a declared Athiest. He has actively spoken out against the church and said publicly that he does not believe in God

My question is: Would God let either of these men into heaven?

Joe should go to Heaven, even if he doesn't believe in God. Bob should go to Hell, he's just selfish.

Originally posted by Storm
I wouldn' t consider worshipping a God where a person’ s eternal fate is not being decided upon based on their actions, but merely on their decision to believe.

What are you talking about? Its decided on both. Its not enough to simply believe. You have to be born again of the water of the spirit and live a holy and seperate life.

When Joe die he will go to Sheol which is nothingness, eternal blackness. If Bob repents he will go to heaven. If he does not he will go Sheol as well. This is the first death. After the second coming of Christ, the Tribulation, and his thousand year reign will come judgement day. Satan will be given one last chance to deceive all people, dead and alive. Then those in Sheol that repent and acknowledge the Lord will get into heaven. Those that listen to Satan's lies will be cast into the lake of fire. And debbie eternal punishment is mentioned by Jesus himself in Matthew 25:46. It does exist, but until the second coming. Sheol is what exists now. It is much like the Catholic perception of Purgatory. Punishment with chance of release. Hell which will be opened at the second coming is eternal for those that enter it.

The answer to this question is....god doesnt exist. 😐

What are you talking about? Its decided on both. Its not enough to simply believe. You have to be born again of the water of the spirit and live a holy and seperate life

To summarize the general opinion:

Bob only has to say "Im sorry" and hes in heaven.
Joe, on the otherhand, is f*cked.

How depressing is that?

guess bob is the name tohave

What you give is what you get. God would prefer a person that does right without faith in god above a person that upholds that faith to disguise one's inability to act right.

Originally posted by finti
some people are plain stupid and someone needs to eat a carrot an wake up to the real world,............as of punker69 he is just plain brain washed moron with his head so far up his preachers ass he might be considered a new tooth

Simply believing in God doesn't make you a christian,and Bob obviously has his own personal view of God because if he truly loved the christian incarnation of God he wouldn't do all that crap.

Yes,Joe wouldn't go to heaven(according to the Bible) hence why i don't believe in Christianity or any other religion