Originally posted by magneto1992
The wallet thing was a methaphor dont argue about it, Anyways, yeah superman is fast that the sped of light, thats not true, in the last comic he was as the speed of sound anyways he still lose, is very hard to superman to kill instentenly if he become invisible, Super can use his X-rays to see him, oo bad news, Magneto controls that too, so he can, like I said before, pick SM and take out anypart of the superman body he wants
since when did superman get a downgrade to the speed of sound?
Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't want to spark another 43 page debate. Don't even wanna know why you think Magneto wins or loses.
Just wanna know how many you people feel he can take against the Boyscout.Outta 10 people
I'll start it off...........Magneto 6.9/10
Continue if you will.
No reasons why, just the odds here people.
And if you wanna see how the last Magneto vs Superman debate went with good reasoning, go here
Just odds people. No flaming or rants about how the little mutant can't touch Superman.
Just odds or if you don't understand, how many times outta ten he wins/loses.
I can understand you want a reasonable debate. But next time, please don't repeat a thread, just bump the old one and continue from there.
Merging...
Originally posted by zachrivardWhile he was regaining his powers, I'm assuming... or in the 1980s... Now that he's pretty much back to full power, he can probably go ftl again, he just hasn't had to yet.
since when did superman get a downgrade to the speed of sound?
In fact, there's really been no downgrade we've seen yet, just an UPgrade, in his senses and brain functions. He's being written as basically having cosmic awareness.
Wait a minute
Avy, Jun and Xm.........did scans of Magneto shielding himself and the Xmen from the backlash of Galactus's mental shrug suddenly not count?
OR the fact that his shields did hold against the dark phoenix??
Or the fact that if the shield is tuned to repel all physical contact at the level of the electron, then punching simply won't make way??
Or Magneto reflecting the light attack of Dazzler, since light does fall into the em spectrum??
As does infared, the same wave length that hv comes from??
Which will now just pass through shields that have been shown to block light??
Such as lasers, which is pretty much all heat vision is, just glorified?
Or the fact that the inside of his shields must be completely controlled and maintained by him, else he wouldn't be able to survive in space, which we've seen many times??
Or the fact that cold increases magnetic power, so go ahead Superman!!
Blow away and strengthen your enemy!!
Or the fact that his shields have met beings who deal in sonics??
HV isn't the end all you people would have others believe it is.
I don't recall Demi ever saying that Erik is a Prof.X level telepath.
Just a latent one.
Or the fact that scans show him taking hits, unshielded and surviving without severe damage, from people at least above class 70?
And the ice thing is tired.
If the shields do repel by magnetizing whatever comes into contact with them, then the ice will never touch, but the resulting chill will heighten his own power.
And people wanna get logical with comic book science?? I know i used to do the same, but even i stopped that a while back!!
People who bring up Superman holding a blackhole, or surviving being reduced to body parts, but still managing to be hurt by punches?!
Or sealing rifts in reality with a laser?
Or even going near and then past lightspeed without a plot device like magic or the pc or even the speedforce to cover his ass?
Ya'll wanna talk about shoddy science?
C'mon.......................
Talk about picking and choosing.
and for the record, we don't know what kind of shields other people use in comics. Thanos might just try to outpower those who wanna break his.
If Magneto doesn't out power, but simply repels, why the hating on his more thought out shield??
Susan Storm and GLs are the perfect examples of bad shielding.
I know people wanna defend Supes, but damn.
And for the record, the sun blockage thing is suspect.
But i don't recall him saying block the sun.....I recall him saying he could open a wormhole to get himself out of danger, before he gets there.
Correct me if wrong.
But if he can open a wormhole, then theorizing the possibility of him making a hungry hole is possible.
Sorry for the rant, but picking and choosing evils is one thing i get real aggy over.
Originally posted by UniOmniYou want to try and make a case for Magneto vs Galactus or Phoenix go ahead.
Wait a minuteAvy, Jun and Xm.........did scans of Magneto shielding himself and the Xmen from the backlash of Galactus's mental shrug suddenly not count?
OR the fact that his shields did hold against the dark phoenix??
Originally posted by UniOmniPurely according to demi.
Or the fact that if the shield is tuned to repel all physical contact at the level of the electron, then punching simply won't make way??
Originally posted by UniOmniTranslucent shields. Active deflection maybe if he had the reactions but he doesn't.
Or Magneto reflecting the light attack of Dazzler, since light does fall into the em spectrum??As does infared, the same wave length that hv comes from??
Which will now just pass through shields that have been shown to block light??
Such as lasers, which is pretty much all heat vision is, just glorified?
Originally posted by UniOmni
Or the fact that the inside of his shields must be completely controlled and maintained by him, else he wouldn't be able to survive in space, which we've seen many times??
Originally posted by UniOmni
Or the fact that cold increases magnetic power, so go ahead Superman!!
Blow away and strengthen your enemy!!
Originally posted by UniOmniHe can hear and speak through the shield.
Or the fact that his shields have met beings who deal in sonics??
Originally posted by UniOmniJust one of many plausible outcomes.
HV isn't the end all you people would have others believe it is.
Originally posted by UniOmniNo he said he was a telepath. I don't recall if Professor X level was used.
I don't recall Demi ever saying that Erik is a Prof.X level telepath.
Just a latent one.
Originally posted by UniOmniAgain no proof of this shield concept was provided at all.
Or the fact that scans show him taking hits, unshielded and surviving without severe damage, from people at least above class 70?And the ice thing is tired.
If the shields do repel by magnetizing whatever comes into contact with them, then the ice will never touch, but the resulting chill will heighten his own power.
Originally posted by UniOmniUnproven shield concept.
If Magneto doesn't out power, but simply repels, why the hating on his more thought out shield??
Originally posted by UniOmniI dont really care for Superman either way.
Susan Storm and GLs are the perfect examples of bad shielding.I know people wanna defend Supes, but damn.
Originally posted by UniOmniHe said he'd prevent Superman from absorbing the ambient solar radiation of the sun. It's basically the same thing.
And for the record, the sun blockage thing is suspect.But i don't recall him saying block the sun.....
Originally posted by UniOmniNot that I recall and I just read over most of this thread.
I recall him saying he could open a wormhole to get himself out of danger, before he gets there.
Originally posted by UniOmniAbout the things you recall. For the most part.
Correct me if wrong.
Originally posted by UniOmniWhat's a hungry hole?
But if he can open a wormhole, then theorizing the possibility of him making a hungry hole is possible.Sorry for the rant, but picking and choosing evils is one thing i get real aggy over.
Demi based most of his stuff on a version of Magneto that existed for a few issues of Excalibur. Some of the claims e.g. Magneto can drain Superman no matter where on Earth he is no matter how fast he is moving with no knowledge of where he is through the power of imagination, were quite absurd.
Magneto blocking Superman from taking in power is very believable.
Dr. Light has done it and Magneto is light+ imo.
Dr. Polaris screwed with his bioaura, and that saves Supermans ass the majority of the time.
And i wouldn't give Magneto odds over Galactus and Phoenix. But to deny what he did, simply cuz you don't agree with it??
And people wanna nitpick over shields??
How about nothing can penetrate supes bioaura, but the man eats food?!
Makes love to his wife??
He shouldn't be able to feel her, since the aura is invulnerable......We can do this all day.
Yet we take it at face value what the shield can and can't do?
When damn near every domestic scene in a Superman comic contradicts the science of the guy?
I wish i could do that whenever i see the absurd scan of Superman holding a blackhole in his hands.
Or fixing the space time continum by rubbing his hands together.
Originally posted by UniOmniDr Light can drain all the ambient light from an area and control things like heat vision, lightning, in ways that Magneto can't. Their powers differ despite a similar basic premise.
Magneto blocking Superman from taking in power is very believable.
Dr. Light has done it and Magneto is light+ imo.
Dr. Polaris screwed with his bioaura, and that saves Supermans ass the majority of the time.
And i wouldn't give Magneto odds over Galactus and Phoenix. But to deny what he did, simply cuz you don't agree with it??
And people wanna nitpick over shields??
How about nothing can penetrate supes bioaura, but the man eats food?!
Makes love to his wife??
He shouldn't be able to feel her, since the aura is invulnerable......We can do this all day.Yet we take it at face value what the shield can and can't do?
When damn near every domestic scene in a Superman comic contradicts the science of the guy?
I wish i could do that whenever i see the absurd scan of Superman holding a blackhole in his hands.
Or fixing the space time continum by rubbing his hands together.
Demi never substantiated his claims about the shield. They were purely his claims.
Sort of like saying Bishop attacking Magneto doesn't count as someone moving his apparently infinite inertia forcefield because it wasn't a bubble.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Dr Light can drain all the ambient light from an area and control things like heat vision, lightning, in ways that Magneto can't. Their powers differ despite a similar basic premise.Demi never substantiated his claims about the shield. They were purely his claims.
Sort of like saying Bishop attacking Magneto doesn't count as someone moving his apparently infinite inertia forcefield because it wasn't a bubble.
Oh, i know Magneto and Dr.Light are different.
But i think i made a point anyways. Solar radiation falls under em energy. Magneto can manipulate said energy.
Why is it hard to believe that he can keep Superman from powering up?
And before somebody says, he moves to fast for Erik to keep up, isn't the battle confined to an arena??
So none of those push the planet into the sun type maneuvers of desperation?
Originally posted by UniOmniHow does he intend to do so without blocking out the sun. I don't recall ever seeing Magneto drain ambient sunlight.
Oh, i know Magneto and Dr.Light are different.But i think i made a point anyways. Solar radiation falls under em energy. Magneto can manipulate said energy.
Why is it hard to believe that he can keep Superman from powering up?And before somebody says, he moves to fast for Erik to keep up, isn't the battle confined to an arena??
So none of those push the planet into the sun type maneuvers of desperation?
This is the combination of too many threads, the fight conditions are a mess.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And before somebody says, he moves to fast for Erik to keep up, isn't the battle confined to an arena??
So none of those push the planet into the sun type maneuvers of desperation?
Because Superman has Erik beat in what counts. I agree that Magneto is all around more powerful than Superman is. However, Superman has SPEED. Speed is a killer in comics. Hell, look at Flash. Superman is faster and has superior reflexes and reaction speeds. Superman would beat Magneto before Magneto could analyze or come up with situations for beating Superman.
Superman 7-8/10.
are we doing another 45 page thread again or something. Everything that could be said has been said. my observation is that if you give mages a better chance then 6 or 7 out of 10 you might want to rethink your devotion to mags and is you give supes over 7 or 8 out of 10 you might want to do the same for supes. that's just what i'm seeing here I respect the opinions of most people on this and they are really thought out and good.
I have read none of this, but: It would depend how it was written. Each one could have a move that instantly kills the other, and, if we compare powers, it would most likely it would be a 3 second fight with one of them dead. Of course, no one would write that, because, quite frankly, who would read it? Assuming that Superman doesn't speedblitz and kill Magneto right away or that Magneto doesn't just drain Superman in an instant, I'm really unsure who would win. I don't see Supes pounding through Magneto's shield anytime soon, and I don't see Magneto being able to kill Superman easy, so, I'm undecided. The setting could play a big factor in this fight. Where does it take place. Sorry for seeming so... arrogant, maybe, but, I'm not going to read 45 pages.
Shot a high density of metal at 600 mph just like shooting him with a bullet and don't bullets bounce off superman and i really dont think adimantium would hurt. your talking about a hero that crushes coal in to pure carbon plus adimantium can melt heat vision and for the iron in the blood he need alot of blood and you cant put a needle in superman it would break