Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't like child pornography or the idea of it, that much is obvious.However, would you NOT say it's better for males or females with attractions to children to watch it on the net as opposed to going out and kidnapping some kid?
No replies saying "Oh you condone child porn" please, read what I said first.
-AC
must i remind you of the law of supply and demand?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't like child pornography or the idea of it, that much is obvious.However, would you NOT say it's better for males or females with attractions to children to watch it on the net as opposed to going out and kidnapping some kid?
No replies saying "Oh you condone child porn" please, read what I said first.
-AC
interesting...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Happened with Pete Townshend of The Who.There was child porn found on his comp and everyone, as they have a habit of doing, branded him a paedophile.
From the start I thought, so? So the guy whacks off to kids. Not my cup of tea, can't say I condone the making of child porn....but all the guy did was whack off to porn. He's not molesting or kidnapping kids.
I'd much rather have a man or woman watch two kids committing or carrying out sexual acts on the net, masturbate and then have it out of their system. As opposed to it being bottled up and then having them going out to kidnap a child.
Same as how I'd rather have a manic aggressive nutjob watch a movie of humans getting raped and slaughter if it helps get it out of his or her system and prevents him or her going out and doing it.
-AC
but the question remains, for that stuff to appear online somebody is doing it somewhere...
i do get what you're saying though...
No PVS, I'm aware.
I posed a question, in search of an answer.
You must post that, if you wish.
Originally posted by pr1983
but the question remains, for that stuff to appear online somebody is doing it somewhere...i do get what you're saying though...
Yeah but what's better? Someone committing it...someone watching it and then NOT doing it. Or someone committing it...someone watching it and then doing it also?
-AC
thats IS the answer.
people want something, the demand goes up,
and more kids get taken advantage of.
the only thing keeping the demand down is that its illegal and
most sickos who want it are afraid to get it.
and i understand what you are saying as well, but really, wtf is better
about children being molested on camera as opposed to off?
one will not prevent the other, in fact such material would probably encourage it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah but what's better? Someone committing it...someone watching it and then NOT doing it. Or someone committing it...someone watching it and then doing it also?
bad deduction AC.
along that train of thought, i guess people who watch pornography dont need or want sex?
No, THAT was a bad deduction.
I'm not saying those who watch child porn don't become paedophiles as a result, just saying that it IS a way of getting those lust feelings out of their system.
The supply doesn't neccessarily get higher. There's enough porn on the net to last everyone a life time, porn need not ever be filmed again I should imagine. However I see what you're saying there.
There is no "better", but I'm saying if it reduces acts of paedophilia, it must be a lesser of two evils.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYeah but what's better? Someone committing it...someone watching it and then NOT doing it. Or someone committing it...someone watching it and then doing it also?
-AC
you know as much as anyone, if u see something online that gets you off you're going to want to try it for real...
5 minutes... and then they think "hey, that looks fun..." i do know what you mean bf, but in the long run its not going to mean much...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, THAT was a bad deduction.I'm not saying those who watch child porn don't become paedophiles as a result, just saying that it IS a way of getting those lust feelings out of their system.-AC
not really AC. masturbation is a temporary release. not only that, but pornos get boring and need replenishing. can you imagine having the same single porno for all your sexually active life? sick or not sick, human beings crave variety. if they can posess one video and get away with it, you honestly think that they are just gonna say "hey, i got my kiddie porn! now ill just lock myself in my room and watch this single video for the rest of my life"
c'mon dude
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The supply doesn't neccessarily get higher. There's enough porn on the net to last everyone a life time, porn need not ever be filmed again I should imagine. However I see what you're saying there.
the reason there is such a stockpile of kiddie porn is that it has gone unchecked. who knows how many children have become victims to this 'industry'
we are not witnessing the beginning of the problem, but are well into it. but be assured, there will never be enough of anything, especially of a sexual nature....ever.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There is no "better", but I'm saying if it reduces acts of paedophilia, it must be a lesser of two evils.-AC
it reduces nothing AC. does porn make you NOT feel like having sex? what makes you think the rules are different in the case of a child molester? its all impulse.
Originally posted by PVS
not really AC. masturbation is a temporary release. not only that, but pornos get boring and need replenishing. can you imagine having the same single porno for all your sexually active life? sick or not sick, human beings crave variety. if they can posess one video and get away with it, you honestly think that they are just gonna say "hey, i got my kiddie porn! now ill just lock myself in my room and watch this single video for the rest of my life"
c'mon dude
Some people just find it a turn on, those people aren't neccessarily paedophiles. Pete Townshend for example. It's possible that he would have had to feed that need some other way if he didn't have another avenue to go down.
Originally posted by PVS
the reason there is such a stockpile of kiddie porn is that it has gone unchecked. who knows how many children have become victims to this 'industry'we are not witnessing the beginning of the problem, but are well into it. but be assured, there will never be enough of anything, especially of a sexual nature....ever.
I know there won't I was speaking in theory, slightly exaggerated. Obviously you must see my point. I don't like children being victims of pornography but what I'm saying is, if it exists (which it does) then SURELY it's better to let a man or woman with child attraction, jerk off to that and possibly not want to go out and do drastic actions as a result.
Originally posted by PVS
it reduces nothing AC. does porn make you NOT feel like having sex? what makes you think the rules are different in the case of a child molester? its all impulse.
Porn doesn't create sexual thoughts. There ARE sexual thoughts, therefore there is porn.
See how it works?
-AC
Yeah that's true.
In this case I mean actually acting it out. For example, if I see a woman being raped on video and get turned on by it or if I'm turned on by rape in general (I'm not, before you ask), it doesn't mean that I am going to go out and rape someone. It doesn't mean that a man with rapist mentality will watch it and then not do it....but it doesn't mean that anyone who does, will.
Same with child porn, it is entirely possible that someone might watch it with nothing more than an attraction. Not intent to go out and do it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Some people just find it a turn on, those people aren't neccessarily paedophiles.
AC, here you just drive me out of my freaking skull.
YES. THEY. ARE.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
if it exists (which it does) then SURELY it's better to let a man or woman with child attraction, jerk off to that and possibly not want to go out and do drastic actions as a result.
hey, if you want to rest on the theory that porn eliminates sex then fine. i dont feel like dancing around this one again
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Porn doesn't create sexual thoughts. There ARE sexual thoughts, therefore there is porn.
so...YOU AGREE WITH ME
the sexual thoughts exist in the mind of the viewer. they are there regardless of whether or not they have porn. porn does not add to it, BUT at the same time it doesnt take away.
you never answered my question. does porn make you not want to have sex?
simple question. if a molester can jerk off to kiddie porn and release all urge to molest a child, then that would mean the same applies for sane human beings with sane porn. you should just be able to whack off and never have a care in the world about ever getting laid. yeah, OF COARSE its nonesense
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't mean that a man with rapist mentality will watch it and then not do it....but it doesn't mean that anyone who does, will.-AC
well make up your mind dude. does porn take away the urge or not? the whole start of your arguement was based on the notion that it does and now you say it doesnt matter.
according to your initial post applied here, that potential rapist would feel satisfied enough from the video to not rape (generally)
Originally posted by PVS
AC, here you just drive me out of my freaking skull.
YES. THEY. ARE.
Dealt with. Was just poor explanation on my part, apologies.
Originally posted by PVS
hey, if you want to rest on the theory that porn eliminates sex then fine. i dont feel like dancing around this one again
I never said porn eliminates sex. However I'm sure that if porn didn't exist there would be alot more forced intercourse on Earth.
Originally posted by PVS
so...YOU AGREE WITH MEthe sexual thoughts exist in the mind of the viewer. they are there regardless of whether or not they have porn. porn does not add to it, BUT at the same time it doesnt take away.
Yeah, and what can thoughts alone do? Nothing if you're not willing to act on them.
Originally posted by PVS
you never answered my question. does porn make you not want to have sex?
simple question. if a molester can jerk off to kiddie porn and release all urge to molest a child, then that would mean the same applies for sane human beings with sane porn. you should just be able to whack off and never have a care in the world about ever getting laid. yeah, OF COARSE its nonesense
Answer to your question: Not really. I'm not a big porn watcher but the only times I've ever watched it have been when I can't get laid right at that second or at that day. Because porn is a relief aid. I don't sit here with no sexual arousal and feel the miraculous need to jerk off, because I don't have any thoughts. If the thoughts are there, then the relief aid comes in.
If I'm horny and I jerk off, I'm not horny anymore. You're missing the point.
I never said if you masturbate it removes will to have sex for life, way to blow things out of proportion.
It's entirely possible for someone to be attracted to watching something, not neccessarily being a part of it. I know females who say they get turned on by watching rape scenes in movies (which from a psychological standpoint is semi-understandable) but they don't walk out the door hoping they get raped. A man or woman might get turned on by watching two kids doing it, it doesn't neccessarily mean they want to have sex with a child.
Originally posted by PVS
well make up your mind dude. does porn take away the urge or not? the whole start of your arguement was based on the notion that it does and now you say it doesnt matter. according to your initial post applied here, that potential rapist would feel satisfied enough from the video to not rape (generally)
That's possibly the biggest misinterpretation there is.
Don't misinterpret my posts to your liking, then apply your logic to it and claim that I'm changing my mind. I gave you an instance and asked a question. I never change my point of view. I just elaborated on it while you twisted it.
-AC