Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm actually just talking about Orion's Strength and being able to actually fight DS that long. Thor fighting Zeus may well have to do with Thor's Hammer and other abilities. I do believe zues said he could have won. Tho I could be mistaken. I was basically saying that YOu have to be above top tier to actually fight the non jobbing DS that he was when they fought.
Zues DID win.
And in another appearance, totally owned Thor.
So its a bit of an outlier, but its still continuity.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i wasn't refering to the IG incident, i was referring to when the fallen one tried the same thing on regular thanos. thanos just raised his hand and stopped fallen one mid-flight about a meter away.
Some people think that was a force field. Which would indicate no superspeed. I think it was a hand blast. Which still doesn't indicate superspeed.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i wasn't refering to the IG incident, i was referring to when the fallen one tried the same thing on regular thanos. thanos just raised his hand and stopped fallen one mid-flight about a meter away.
What evidence do we have as to the speed of that?
Otherwise, any time anyone has ever stopped or blocked the Silver Surfer, its faster than light, right?
when it showed fallen one rushing towards thanos, light was bent into a central vanishing point ala star trek's warp drive. this has been used in comics and film to indicate light or ftl speed since time immemorial.
if that's not enough, i'll have to start arguing that superman's combat speed is only spiderman level.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Some people think that was a force field. Which would indicate no superspeed. I think it was a hand blast. Which still doesn't indicate superspeed.
it would, actually. if something is rushing you FTL without your awareness, and you become aware of them, react, and execute your reaction before they clobber you...you would also have to be around c in reactions.
Originally posted by manorastroman
when it showed fallen one rushing towards thanos, light was bent into a central vanishing point ala star trek's warp drive. this has been used in comics and film to indicate light or ftl speed since time immemorial.if that's not enough, i'll have to start arguing that superman's combat speed is only spiderman level.
Thanos has cosmic senses. he could have just senses Fallen one's approach. Superspeed had nothing to do with it. Invisible woman has blocked lasers and more. Lasers move at the speed of light. Does she now have SuperSpeed?
for one, lasers do not move at the speed of light, especially comic lasers. for two, the examples are not comparable at all. if IW sees a goon with a laser gun and then raises her shield, she hasn't blocked a laser. she outreacted some goon with a gun.
even if thanos "sensed" fallen one's approach, he still would have to react and execute before fallen one reached him. which is moot, because if thanos can "sense" fallen one and react, he could do the same to any superspeed character.
Originally posted by manorastroman
for one, lasers do not move at the speed of light, especially comic lasers. for two, the examples are not comparable at all. if IW sees a goon with a laser gun and then raises her shield, she hasn't blocked a laser. she outreacted some goon with a gun.even if thanos "sensed" fallen one's approach, he still would have to react and execute before fallen one reached him. which is moot, because if thanos can "sense" fallen one and react, he could do the same to any superspeed character.
Thanos couldn't block Gamoras Attacks. he doesn't have superspeed. And it would seem he can only detect cosmically charged energy wielders if he couldn't block gamara's attacks. and since when did comic book lasers not move at the speed of light. When Sue blocked the Thor clones lighting, she didn't know thor was goign to strike, she put the shild up just in the nick of time. So now sue has superspeed. According to ur logic she does.
since when? since the inception of "lasers". i think it would be pretty obvious that clor was striking when he raised the hammer, crackling with lightning, and said :"you're all going down."
again, the instances are hardly comparable. if, however, clor attacked and sue managed to realize it, throw up a shield, and re=inforce it all in the time it took the lightning to go from clor to her, then yes, i would say she has superspeed.
it's not "my logic". it's "logic".
Originally posted by manorastroman
since when? since the inception of "lasers". i think it would be pretty obvious that clor was striking when he raised the hammer, crackling with lightning, and said :"you're all going down."again, the instances are hardly comparable. if, however, clor attacked and sue managed to realize it, throw up a shield, and re=inforce it all in the time it took the lightning to go from clor to her, then yes, i would say she has superspeed.
it's not "my logic". it's "logic".
Your actually refering to what is called reaction time. Reaction time is not Superspeed. Now when you tie reaction time to something physical, it becomes Reflexes as you have to have the ability to move at the speed at which your reaction time is. I.E. Spiderman has superior Reflexes and Reaction time. Where sue only has superior reaction time. But since her powers are energy in nature, she only needs good reaction time. In order to have Super Traveling Speed, One need only be able to go from point a to point b very fast. Now if you take someone like the flash, he has Superior reaction time, Superior reflexes, travel speed, and Combat speed. Which is a culmination of all of these and is shown by doing things like catching bullets.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your actually refering to what is called reaction time. Reaction time is not Superspeed. Now when you tie reaction time to something physical, it becomes Reflexes as you have to have the ability to move at the speed at which your reaction time is. I.E. Spiderman has superior Reflexes and Reaction time. Where sue only has superior reaction time. But since her powers are energy in nature, she only needs good reaction time. In order to have Super Traveling Speed, One need only be able to go from point a to point b very fast. Now if you take someone like the flash, he has Superior reaction time, Superior reflexes, travel speed, and Combat speed. Which is a culmination of all of these and is shown by doing things like catching bullets.
...and?
I saw the page in question. Thanos either sensed the guy or knew he was coming first off. 2nd, and this is important, he didn't react until Fallen One was right on top of him. Look carefully as Thanos's field suddenly appears in front of the herald. Thanos is clearly smiling. He blocked him at just the right moment so Fallen one couldn't stop his momentum. Superspeed notwithstanding, Thanos has the brains to anticipate his opponent's reactions. And the reflexes and reaction time to KTFO people like the fallen one in one shot.
Back to the main topic: Thanos vs. Orion. Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was the jobbing DS that Orion fought. The guy is good, but Thanos eats top tiers alive.
Speed: Possibly Orion. But we all know Thanos doesn't like to use superspeed in his fights. Hard to call, but let's say Orion is faster for now.
Strength: Thanos. By a big margin. Is Cosmic power amping legal?
Skill: Thanos again. In addition to training Gamora, he's alot more experienced and has successfully taken down people like Morg in h2h.
Durability: Thanos. The dude is the juggernaut of the cosmic power class. It's almost impossible to hurt this guy without a huge amount of power.
Intelligence: Thanos. Let's be honest, Orion is an idiot half the time. He's fairly smart when he's not berserk, but unlike his dad, he can't control it. Even with motherbox holding his rage down (which may or may not affect his power, can't judge), Thanos is still at least 10x times more intelligent.
Endurance: Thanos. I'm sorry, I still think that was a jobbing DS that Orion fought. Thanos has far higher endurance feats. Including stalemating Odin.
I just don't see Orion winning this..... ❌
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I saw the page in question. Thanos either sensed the guy or knew he was coming first off. 2nd, and this is important, he didn't react until Fallen One was right on top of him. Look carefully as Thanos's field suddenly appears in front of the herald. Thanos is clearly smiling. He blocked him at just the right moment so Fallen one couldn't stop his momentum. Superspeed notwithstanding, Thanos has the brains to anticipate his opponent's reactions. And the reflexes and reaction time to KTFO people like the fallen one in one shot.Back to the main topic: Thanos vs. Orion. Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was the jobbing DS that Orion fought. The guy is good, but Thanos eats top tiers alive.
Speed: Possibly Orion. But we all know Thanos doesn't like to use superspeed in his fights. Hard to call, but let's say Orion is faster for now.
Strength: Thanos. By a big margin. Is Cosmic power amping legal?
Skill: Thanos again. In addition to training Gamora, he's alot more experienced and has successfully taken down people like Morg in h2h.
Durability: Thanos. The dude is the juggernaut of the cosmic power class. It's almost impossible to hurt this guy without a huge amount of power.
Intelligence: Thanos. Let's be honest, Orion is an idiot half the time. He's fairly smart when he's not berserk, but unlike his dad, he can't control it. Even with motherbox holding his rage down (which may or may not affect his power, can't judge), Thanos is still at least 10x times more intelligent.
Endurance: Thanos. I'm sorry, I still think that was a jobbing DS that Orion fought. Thanos has far higher endurance feats. Including stalemating Odin.I just don't see Orion winning this..... ❌
Thanos never stalemated Odin. Dont be fooled. Orion Can use the Astro Force to amp his strength as easily as thanos can amp his. Also the mother box, actually keeps orions strength in check. And Orion is made to kill DS. So I don't think DS was jobbing. poeple just won't give Orion the credit. He's supposed to be The Killer of DS. He is born with the power to do so.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlone thanos doesnt use the power cosmic, anyone who actually takes the time to read his books would know this, Thanos uses dark Energies.
Thanos never stalemated Odin. Dont be fooled. Orion Can use the Astro Force to amp his strength as easily as thanos can amp his. Also the mother box, actually keeps orions strength in check. And Orion is made to kill DS. So I don't think DS was jobbing. poeple just won't give Orion the credit. He's supposed to be The Killer of DS. He is born with the power to do so.
2.Whoever said thanos was only officially upgraded by death needs to go back and re-read Thanos #1 he states to Adam Warlock that before he gave up being the Omnipitent he gave himself a power upgrade so that if anyone came trying to get revenge.
3.Thanos fought Odin before his power-up, and actually by fighting rules it was a stalemate, niether of them were shown any physical damage, Thanos suit was the only thing burned, and all that did was make Thanos pissed. Odin was also not hurt, but thats not the point of that battle the point of that battle is, that it WASNT over, so its INCONCLUSIVE, no two ways around it.
4. Orion is most likely faster than Thanos but the point is that Orion doesnt speedblitz, he fights with people at a normal speed, FORUM RULES state that he acts in character, and in character he slug it out with Thanos.
5.And it isnt about DS jobbing, its about the fact that it was stated that DS LET orion win.
Originally posted by manorastroman
when it showed fallen one rushing towards thanos, light was bent into a central vanishing point ala star trek's warp drive. this has been used in comics and film to indicate light or ftl speed since time immemorial.if that's not enough, i'll have to start arguing that superman's combat speed is only spiderman level.
it would, actually. if something is rushing you FTL without your awareness, and you become aware of them, react, and execute your reaction before they clobber you...you would also have to be around c in reactions.
This just doesn't strike me as combat super speed. Okay, he raised his hand while he was expecting Fallen One to attack, but that doesn't show any signs of combat super speed. No fighting super speed. Nothing like that.
If your argument is that he can stop an Orion racing at him full speed with a mass area forcefield, thats fine (of course, Mother Box could probably open it up anyway).
But in terms of punch for punch, you can't come up with an examples, I don't think.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I saw the page in question. Thanos either sensed the guy or knew he was coming first off. 2nd, and this is important, he didn't react until Fallen One was right on top of him. Look carefully as Thanos's field suddenly appears in front of the herald. Thanos is clearly smiling. He blocked him at just the right moment so Fallen one couldn't stop his momentum. Superspeed notwithstanding, Thanos has the brains to anticipate his opponent's reactions. And the reflexes and reaction time to KTFO people like the fallen one in one shot.Back to the main topic: Thanos vs. Orion. Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was the jobbing DS that Orion fought. The guy is good, but Thanos eats top tiers alive.
Speed: Possibly Orion. But we all know Thanos doesn't like to use superspeed in his fights. Hard to call, but let's say Orion is faster for now.
I don't think there is any doubt. I could give at least 5 examples of impressive Orion speed showings in combat, without having to resort assumptions (ie, his fight with insane Superman must have been at super speed).You can't give me one Thanos example.
Strength: Thanos. By a big margin. Is Cosmic power amping legal?
Agreed.
Skill: Thanos again. In addition to training Gamora, he's alot more experienced and has successfully taken down people like Morg in h2h.
Not even close. Orion is the God of War and, in his case, it means quite a bit. He has an instinctual, primal knowledge of warfare, its history, its meaning, its importance and, yes, its techniques. He's faced and defeated a god with the title "Greatest Martial Artist in the Universe".
Thanos can't even defeat Gamora.
Durability: Thanos. The dude is the juggernaut of the cosmic power class. It's almost impossible to hurt this guy without a huge amount of power.
Agreed again.
Intelligence: Thanos. Let's be honest, Orion is an idiot half the time. He's fairly smart when he's not berserk, but unlike his dad, he can't control it. Even with motherbox holding his rage down (which may or may not affect his power, can't judge), Thanos is still at least 10x times more intelligent.
In a lot of ways, I agree with you. Thanos is more devious, he's certainly more intelligent with technology and strategy, but Orion is the ultimate tactician. Battle Field intelligence largely belongs to him, IMHO.
In terms of byzantine plots, I don't think that Thanos actually compares to Darkseid. He may be more successful, thats fine, but his plans are less unique, complicated and intelligent than Darkseid's.
Take that to mean what you will.
Endurance: Thanos. I'm sorry, I still think that was a jobbing DS that Orion fought. Thanos has far higher endurance feats. Including stalemating Odin.I just don't see Orion winning this..... ❌
Nor do I.
Thanos wins, in a big way.