Thanos vs. Orion

As far Gamora goes, when has Thanos had a serious fight with her? And his training her doesn't count for anything?

As far as DS's plans vs. Thanos's, the fact that Thanos has a higher success rate is pretty much the deciding factor. Darkseid can come up with insanely complicated and intelligent plans, but how often do they work? And how often does Darkseid plan for unexpected occurances, random chance, if you will?

As for Orion being a tactitician, that depends on whether he has mother box in this fight, which so far is up in the air. But riddle me this: Could Orion pull off what Thanos did to get the IG? By that, I mean the whole Thanos Quest series.

I'm not gonna argue the speed difference, Thanos doesn't use it as part of his character even if he has it, so it's a moot point. It's just not his style.

Orion would just whip Thanos' ass and throw him into the source wall.

........ok, you read the last 3 pages worth of evidence and scans, and this is your contribution. Give me one good reason why Orion takes Thanos.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
🤨Orion would just whip Thanos' ass and throw him into the source wall.

Thanos will punk Orion all day even on Sundays, Thanos beats him in every category. Thanos will make Orion his lap dog.

Why is this a thread?

Well it really depends. Orion is undoubtedly more skilled, faster, and close enough when it comes to strength.Thanos got the durability thing but people forget Orion has a nasty healing factor sometimes. So most of if not all of the damage would become moot. Thanos wins but it'd be a real fight.

I can see Orion coming in and getting to h2h range, but then Thanos is just gonna pound on him, or blast him away again. He'd do better than Superman would.

No it wouldn't.

Thanos is stronger, more durable and has good energy projection as well.

Its his fight to lose, and he won't.

this is hand to hand not energy projection. or Orion would have his astro harness.

Orion's strength is probably limitless if the motherbox doesn't keep the astro-force in check.

If he's pumped up on what's basically been called God's Wraith, every single physical ability gets amped beyond belief.

Mindless Hulk but with nearly unmatched fighting skill.

Nobody in their right-damned-mind would want to fight THAT Orion.

You obviously underestimate Thanos. Thanos could school mindless Hulk. Unlike Thanos's body, Orion's isn't protected from things like nerve blows. Thanos could stand there and let Orion whale on him for a few days, and still be fit enough to school him. Nothing Orion has can kill Thanos or even get past that damn rock hide of his.

Thanos wouldn't school mindless Hulk in h2h, nobody would.

Nerve hits work on Orion? Never seen one work. Just like Orion could wail on Thanos and get hardly anywhere, Thanos would swing at Orion and Orion would simply dodge it. He's fast as hell.

Originally posted by long pig
Thanos wouldn't school mindless Hulk in h2h, nobody would.

Nerve hits work on Orion? Never seen one work. Just like Orion could wail on Thanos and get hardly anywhere, Thanos would swing at Orion and Orion would simply dodge it. He's fast as hell.

And orion doesnt do much dodging, but then again you know this, you just dont like admitting to Orion losing because you like him, like me with Cap...I feel your pain brah.

Wutd the brat get for x-mas?

Nerve hits didn't work when "The greatest martial artist in the universe" tried. He was strong, it wasn't enough.

I don't see a reason why Orion couldn't dodge a Thanos punch, he's fast enough to catch bullets, with his back turned, while blind, after they've been fired.

He's fast.

He got tons of shit, he broke most of it already. I got him a huge ass dinosaur and he's scared shitless of it.

Originally posted by long pig
Nerve hits didn't work when "The greatest martial artist in the universe" tried. He was strong, it wasn't enough.

I don't see a reason why Orion couldn't dodge a Thanos punch, he's fast enough to catch bullets, with his back turned, while blind, after they've been fired.

He's fast.

He got tons of shit, he broke most of it already. I got him a huge ass dinosaur and he's scared shitless of it.

hahahahahaha, good call on the dinosaur...is he scared of the vacuum?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
As far Gamora goes, when has Thanos had a serious fight with her? And his training her doesn't count for anything?

The training counts for nothing, because in the one flashback we see Gamora is sparring/training with robots, not Thanos directly.

And the fight was Warlock and the Infinity Watch. While they weren't trying to kill each other, it was made clear in the book that they were fighting for real, weren't pulling their punches. And even when Thanos was trying to get her with energy attacks, she out did him.

As far as DS's plans vs. Thanos's, the fact that Thanos has a higher success rate is pretty much the deciding factor. Darkseid can come up with insanely complicated and intelligent plans, but how often do they work? And how often does Darkseid plan for unexpected occurances, random chance, if you will?

He plans much more thoroughly than Thanos does. You can see that by the quality and the complexity of his plans.

The difference is the level of intelligence those around each character demonstrate at the time.

For instance, would it be more impressive to almost but not quite pull one over on a group of analytical experts, or a group of the mentally challenged?

Because, honestly, thats almost the difference we are dealing with. Thanos uses the same plan every time, uses outside help, etc.

As for Orion being a tactitician, that depends on whether he has mother box in this fight, which so far is up in the air. But riddle me this: Could Orion pull off what Thanos did to get the IG? By that, I mean the whole Thanos Quest series.

It has nothing to do with Mother Box. He is an expert tactician, and it was demonstrated in the Kirby and Orion series. See how he totally outsmarts Arnicus Wolfram.

And I don't know if he could have pulled off what happened during Thanos quest, because thats not really his style.

Since it basically amounted to Thanos beating them all up, though, yeah I think Orion could do it. He wouldn't have the knowledge of the nature of the universe that Thanos had, obviously, that allowed him to so confidently defeat the Inbetweener, but the stuff he did against Champion or the Runner or really anyone besides the grandmaster...yeah.

Thats strategy, not tactics though. Not going to enter into a one on one fight.

I'm not gonna argue the speed difference, Thanos doesn't use it as part of his character even if he has it, so it's a moot point. It's just not his style.

Thats not really a sensical stance.

Couldn't I just say that Orion has reality warping abilities, but he doesn't use them, not his style?

Either way, Thanos owns this battle.

Originally posted by King KAM
nerve hits would work, thanos has the muscle to actually make them.

And orion doesnt do much dodging, but then again you know this, you just dont like admitting to Orion losing because you like him, like me with Cap...I feel your pain brah.

Wutd the brat get for x-mas?

Orion has done a lot of dodging. Admittedly, not necessarily in his guest appearances, but definitely in the New God series' proper.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
this is hand to hand not energy projection. or Orion would have his astro harness.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Holy Thanos fanboyism Batman!

Read Orion's respect thread he has speed and does use it. Again Orion beat Superman while he was powered up enough to man handle a team of top tiers, so he's got freakish strength.. Read Orion and Darkseids fight. He has the skills.

Unless Orion posses the Astro Force to use it at will, hes going to end the same way the other top tiers did against Thanos. With a headache and a lecture on how hes weaker.

Originally posted by Desaad
Darkseid has never been officially downgraded.

Thanos' only real power up was when he was ressurected by Death.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Orion is stronger than any top tier hero. He has Taken on DS. HE can take Thanos. He won't win the majority. But Orion is def stronger than Top tier.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm actually just talking about Orion's Strength and being able to actually fight DS that long. Thor fighting Zeus may well have to do with Thor's Hammer and other abilities. I do believe zues said he could have won. Tho I could be mistaken. I was basically saying that YOu have to be above top tier to actually fight the non jobbing DS that he was when they fought.

And your forgetting that Darkseid also used skills. If he was at a level where top tier strength would matter little to him, he wouldnt needed to rely on it. While the OE part of the end was a ruse, the figth itself wasent, and it was clear he had to give its all. This doesnt strike me as a showing of a guy who is heaps above top tier, strengthwise.

Originally posted by olympian
Orion showing in that one while impressive wasent in any shape a win. He was stalemating Superman, not winning.

Unless Orion posses the Astro Force to use it at will, hes going to end the same way the other top tiers did against Thanos. With a headache and a lecture on how hes weaker.

Thats crazy talk. He passed from beating pre crisis chaps to having problems with post crisis ones. How is that he was never downgraded?

Funny part? He didnt only used strength against DS. He also used skills. Wich ironically Thanos didnt, in the instance you claim he did. That being said, DS has rarely been in the strengthclass above top tier most of post crisis history. And while Orion used skills in that particular match, so did DS. Orion is top tier when he doesnt use the astro force.

Zeus said he wasent try to kill him.

And your forgetting that Darkseid also used skills. If he was at a level where top tier strength would matter little to him, he wouldnt needed to rely on it. While the OE part of the end was a ruse, the figth itself wasent, and it was clear he had to give its all. This doesnt strike me as a showing of a guy who is heaps above top tier, strengthwise.

And yet lobo, who has on occasion owned Superman, Severly hurt his hand and got a lesson about DS strength and Durability.If it serves you better to try and make DS less than he is, by all means continue to do so.