MM after the whole retcon the cube beings were powered down and took a masssive dive in the hierarchy. All the feats of these cube beings were written off because their powers were stated to be highly illusion based. Its been stated where theyre positioned in the scheme of things. They are between the skyfathers and the abstracts and thats that. No arguments because that is common knowledge and it was stated in the comics as you well know. In that case, the TWO most powerful skyfathers not only extremely powerful conventionally but highly proficient in the mystical arts which owens scientific/real world physics based powers wouldnt be so effective against. If they didnt have those abilities then it would be more debatable but as it is against both of them going all out i dont think owen can take this. I know you love owen quite obviously but what im saying stands to reason and you know this. Plus its based on what has been said in the comics.
have you not read what i typed in my previous posts. I will say this one last time. MM is between skyfathers and abstract beings. BETWEEN. Also if all the cube beings have been depowered and all their feats written off as just being down to their highly illusion based powers then how is a fight between themselves going to convince me or anyone of how powerful MM is. ALL OF THEM got depowered in the retcon so taking out beyonder aint quite the feat it would have been back in the 80's. Times change.
"yea, he managed to use his power to drag kosmos and kubik from a different part of the universe to Earth and change Kosmos back into the Beyonder, that shows how powerful he is."
NO. That just confirms what i and MM have said in the past. That Owen is the most powerful of the cube beings. As all of them have been depowered thats still not all that impressive on a cosmic scale.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Sure Beyonder's powers were said to be partly based on illusion, but what exactly does that mean? He was still wicked powerful. It doesn't discredit everything he did in his comics.
actually it DOES discredit everything that the beyonder did. everything he did (all his impressive feats) were nothing more than illusions... he humbled the entire celestial host but it was an illusion... later while learning of his origins and what he was, he was told that single celestial would kill him (literally) if it noticed them, and that he should keep on moving.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And while the Skyfathers obviously have Dr. Strange trumped in many ways, Strange is a magical badass.
strange and a skyfather shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence 😉 odin can literally manipulate reality with the greatest of ease. dr strange couldnt even begin to harm juggernaut, while juggernaut couldnt even begin to harm odin.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Some people's arguments are revolving around the mysical forces or magic of the Skyfathers protecting them from being removed from existence or defeated by MM...then why couldn't Strange do anything to Molecule Man?Molcule wins
those arguements are legitimate though... galactus once stated that he dindt like mystical powers because his science based powers didnt function properly against it. also, atleast twice, odin stated that he repelled galactus when galactus came to asgard to feed. if odin by himself is capable of repelling galactus (non illusion) i doubt MM would be able to be more affective against him. also, strange isnt that powerful you shouldnt rely on him as credible in this debate 😉
Molecule Man is really an Individual of the Universe. He has free reign of the entierty of it. He would lay waste to the Sky Fathers and their realms without them ever knowing it had happened.
He's way more powerful than Galactus. He could kill him and raise him if he wanted.
No contest. Although the Skyfathers magic makes it seem interesting for like a moment.
Wonderman *sigh. He is a cube being. His powers derive from the same source as a cosmic cube. The cube beings in their sentient form and as cubes grant desires their powers are mostly illusion based. This has been stated in the comics. Please understand this. His feats have been written off and somewhat devalued. He is above skyfathers but below abstracts. Up against Odin and Zeus two of the most powerful of the skyfathers Owens future looks bleak
Not mystical energy. Did u not read all of Kill Alls post? U couldnt hav cos if u did you would hav caught the bit where galactus who would crush owen without debate was stalemated by odin and admits his scientific based powers arent really effective against mystical energies because they defy the realm of science and physics
Yeah. He didnt stand a chance. Him and the earths pantheons empowered the destroyer armor with their essences and the destroyer got f**ked up!! I hope you're not gonna try and say well beyonder or MM did this or that to the celestials!! lol. Well beyonder did but that was all retconned. If u read KillAlls post you'll see after the retcon beyonder is running scared from a celestial.
Since that happened the cosmic cubes and the cube beings have been RETCONNED!!!!!!! PLEASE GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD!!! LOL. IF U READ THE END THANOS STATES THAT WITH THE COSMIC CUBE HE EXPERIENCED FACETS OF GREAT POWER IN COMPARISON HE TALKS OF THE INFINITY GAUNTLET AND SAYS THAT, THAT HAD MADE HIM OMNIPOTENT BUT THAT WAS ONLY EXTERNAL CONTROL. THE HOTU MADE HIM ONE WITH UNIVERSE. Sorry i couldnt be bothered to turn caps lock off after id started lol. The cubes and the cube beings arent up there. Im sorry i know youre a fan but please just accept this
"I really wonder if you know anything about him or his feats"
I really wonder if u can actually read!! Havent i said like 5 times before that all the cube beings feats were written off? For the last time owen is between skyfathers and the abstracts whether u like it or not. Sorry bro take it up with marvel