it's not that he won't listen, i don't think, it's just that he believes that in the scheme of things owen (who i think IS more powerful than either individual) is not SO high above them on the food chain that he could easily handle 2 of the most powerful beings in the universe. my thought is that MM probably WOULD beat them both - even with the CC powers whittled down from what they were. he is still enormously powerful. i think odin and zeus are capable of most of the feats owen is, but because he ranks oabove them in the power scale, i think his mastery of such feats would be greater and be enough to get him through this fight - though by NO MEANS unscathed!
"it's just that he believes that in the scheme of things owen (who i think IS more powerful than either individual) is not SO high above them on the food chain that he could easily handle 2 of the most powerful beings in the universe"
Thats exactly it. Thank leo for sticking up 4 me. I think all of us are gonna hav 2 agree to disagree here. But i'll go wiv your last comment because its the fairest and most neutral ive read on this thread so far
"he/she just won't listen"
Im a boy!! lol
<<Hehe so now you agree with me that Owen would beat Odin and Zeus with no problem?>>
er, no.
<<i think his mastery of such feats would be greater and be enough to get him through this fight - though by NO MEANS unscathed!>>
that means he would probably win - but he would have one HELL of a problem doing so!
What?
Galactic's been reading and taking in everything that's been said! lol!
And plus - he's obviously got a sound knowledge of canon - he knows that Cube beings have been retconned and he's taking this into account.
You, MM, don't seem to realise that Marvel now state that - the majority of Cube beings feats in the past are mostly illusion and not actual power! They're not as powerful as they made themselves out to be.
Odin and Zeus are immensely powerful and they've proved it with actual feats - that haven't been retconned. Thor with the Odin-force managed to repel Galactus. You imagine how powerful Odin himself is...?
I believe that - yes, MM is very powerful. Even to create illusions enough to fool the universe, he must be powerful.
But powerful enough to take down two skyfathers with proven power?
Maybe.
Not as easily as you keep saying MM.
No. Thats fine if u believe that and then u back it up with proof which supports what you are saying. But because you love MM so much u dont seem to be able too get in2 your head that his and all the other cube beings past feats were retconned and wriiten off so u cant use that as an example as to why he would win here. The retcon also places him in between the skyfathers and the abstract beings and theres no debating that. My point is that the two most powerful skyfathers utilising mystical abilities (which even galactus struggles with and has great difficulty overcoming) would be able to deal with MM. His powers are realworld/scientific based. But your love for MM is just making u refuse to see or even accept that. Even though many others have came in and tried to make u understand you just ignore it and say the same thing, please go and read FF blah blah blah. This is a great example of fanboyism. Im sorry but it really is.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No. Thats fine if u believe that and then u back it up with proof which supports what you are saying. But because you love MM so much u dont seem to be able too get in2 your head that his and all the other cube beings past feats were retconned and wriiten off so u cant use that as an example as to why he would win here. The retcon also places him in between the skyfathers and the abstract beings and theres no debating that. My point is that the two most powerful skyfathers utilising mystical abilities (which even galactus struggles with and has great difficulty overcoming) would be able to deal with MM. His powers are realworld/scientific based. But your love for MM is just making u refuse to see or even accept that. Even though many others have came in and tried to make u understand you just ignore it and say the same thing, please go and read FF blah blah blah. This is a great example of fanboyism. Im sorry but it really is.
? Galactus stalemated Agamotto in it's own magical realm. Thor beating Galactus is shit, especially considering Tyrant stomped on herald level guys including Beta Ray Bill. Thor's also that same guy who's had trouble with Juggernaut and Hulk.
Phoenix should be added!! lol Im really not convinced about MM. Not against two of the most powerful skyfathers. If they didnt have such powerful mystical abilities and several millenia of combat experience then yeah. But do do so i really dont think he can. Not against two of them going all out. Hes not high enough above them in the hierarchy for him to dispatch them both. Plus his powers arent effective against mystical abilities. For chrsist sake galactus complained he couldnt really counter such abilities
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix should be added!! lol Im really not convinced about MM. Not against two of the most powerful skyfathers. If they didnt have such powerful mystical abilities and several millenia of combat experience then yeah. But do do so i really dont think he can. Not against two of them going all out. Hes not high enough above them in the hierarchy for him to dispatch them both. Plus his powers arent effective against mystical abilities. For chrsist sake galactus complained he couldnt really counter such abilities
It'd be like Namor and Wonder Man against Black Bolt; good fight and all but in the end they'd still lose.