who is the better peak human? Cap,Batman,Black panther, or Daredevil?

Captain America and Black Panther are "Enhanced Peak human".
Key word: Enhanced

BP gets some kind of power from the Panther God and smoking some African hemp.
The good Captain shoots up some Super Steroid to keep him young and strong.Nick Fury too..

I would say the Batman and Daredevil are "true" peak humans .
Batman a tad stronger than DD -
DD a tad quicker than Batman -

But both are peak but not the only ones in the comic world.
What about Tarzan,Conan,Phantom,Nightwing,Bullseye etc

Is "peak human" only for men?
What about Batgirl and Blck Widow?

As far a peak human goes. If you're the strongest can you be the fastest? I do not think so.......Correct me if I'm wrong!

Originally posted by yugotank
Captain America and Black Panther are "Enhanced Peak human".
Key word: Enhanced

BP gets some kind of power from the Panther God and smoking some African hemp.
The good Captain shoots up some Super Steroid to keep him young and strong.Nick Fury too..

I would say the Batman and Daredevil are "true" peak humans .
Batman a tad stronger than DD -
DD a tad quicker than Batman -

But both are peak but not the only ones in the comic world.
What about Tarzan,Conan,Phantom,Nightwing,Bullseye etc

Is "peak human" only for men?
What about Batgirl and Blck Widow?

As far a peak human goes. If you're the strongest can you be the fastest? I do not think so.......Correct me if I'm wrong!

You have good points.

For one, Batman is the only one who is truly peak human .....although to be honest 'peak human' in comics is a bit of a joke as far as I am concerned. More on that later.

Anyways, Batman is the only one who did not take any 'enhancements' As stated, Black Panther is on the heart herb, Steve was a skinny soldier when he 'volunteered' for the Super-soldier Serume, and Matt's accident had a side-effect in that the radiactive goo that took away his sight enhanced his other senses to a level far beyond human.

Now, this is not to say that the three have not been training. Matt went through Stick, Cap has had years upon years of training, and T'Challa is not exactly a herbal addict. But all of them wouldn't be where they are now without those 'additives.'

Batman got where he was through hard work.

Now, as stated, Peak Human in comics is a misnomer. Batman for instance, a 'peak human,' has done stuff (like giving a tree a karate chop and cleaving it into two) that are quite literally beyond Superhuman. But this is comics we are talking about, and all of the characters listed have done feats that are simply as far beyond human as one can get without shooting laser beams from your eyes!

Anyways, in terms of peak human it would have to be Batman. He got there without the use of any super-herb, without the need of a near-metamorphic Super-serum (nigh metamorphic because Steve did not even LOOK like he does now before he took the Serum ....it literally changed his whole bio-organic architecture ....almost like those DNA mutagenic drugs in Batman Beyond), and DareDevil (while having a lot of traditional training) is also beyond human due to the effects of the radioactive goop on his biology.

Then you have Batman .....no mystical herb, no super-science wonder-drug, and no sci-fi-esque 'radioactive accident' spiel going on for him. While the others may be where Batman is and beyond, they did not get their in the same way (actually beyond is several respects ....e.g. DD has better senses, and Cap simply cannot get tired ....something that would have been very beneficial to batman when Bane was sending all sorts of foes against Batman during the events leading up to KnightFall. Had Batman had Steve's ability to INSTANTLY metabolize away fatigue poisons, then the several-week assault that Bane orchestrated wouldn't have worked, and Batman would have been at full potential when he finally went mano-a-mano against Bane. He wasn't, and he ended up with a broken back and a LONG way back to where he was. Actually that shows another thing ....Bruce had to work TWICE to be peak human ....his initial training, and what he had to do after KnightFall).

The others are better than Batman in certain physiological effects (e.g. while Batman can detect a sniper's bullet by the overpressure in the air, Daredevil can detect an individual human heartbeat many blocks away in the middle of a crowd; Steve's superior 'human' body; T'Challa's super-senses). However Batman is the only 'peak human' who got there without any outside 'help.'

And that counts for something.

I think The Punisher could be considered to be peak human.

Batman is a peak-athlete

Daredevil is a peak-athlete

Black Panther is at peak human potential(enhanced by herb)

Captain America is at peak human potential(enhanced by SSS)

Originally posted by spetznaz
You have good points.

For one, Batman is the only one who is truly peak human .....although to be honest 'peak human' in comics is a bit of a joke as far as I am concerned. More on that later.

Anyways, Batman is the only one who did not take any 'enhancements' As stated, Black Panther is on the heart herb, Steve was a skinny soldier when he 'volunteered' for the Super-soldier Serume, and Matt's accident had a side-effect in that the radiactive goo that took away his sight enhanced his other senses to a level far beyond human.

Now, this is not to say that the three have not been training. Matt went through Stick, Cap has had years upon years of training, and T'Challa is not exactly a herbal addict. But all of them wouldn't be where they are now without those 'additives.'

Batman got where he was through hard work.

Now, as stated, Peak Human in comics is a misnomer. Batman for instance, a 'peak human,' has done stuff (like giving a tree a karate chop and cleaving it into two) that are quite literally beyond Superhuman. But this is comics we are talking about, and all of the characters listed have done feats that are simply as far beyond human as one can get without shooting laser beams from your eyes!

Anyways, in terms of peak human it would have to be Batman. He got there without the use of any super-herb, without the need of a near-metamorphic Super-serum (nigh metamorphic because Steve did not even LOOK like he does now before he took the Serum ....it literally changed his whole bio-organic architecture ....almost like those DNA mutagenic drugs in Batman Beyond), and DareDevil (while having a lot of traditional training) is also beyond human due to the effects of the radioactive goop on his biology.

Then you have Batman .....no mystical herb, no super-science wonder-drug, and no sci-fi-esque 'radioactive accident' spiel going on for him. While the others may be where Batman is and beyond, they did not get their in the same way (actually beyond is several respects ....e.g. DD has better senses, and Cap simply cannot get tired ....something that would have been very beneficial to batman when Bane was sending all sorts of foes against Batman during the events leading up to KnightFall. Had Batman had Steve's ability to INSTANTLY metabolize away fatigue poisons, then the several-week assault that Bane orchestrated wouldn't have worked, and Batman would have been at full potential when he finally went mano-a-mano against Bane. He wasn't, and he ended up with a broken back and a LONG way back to where he was. Actually that shows another thing ....Bruce had to work TWICE to be peak human ....his initial training, and what he had to do after KnightFall).

The others are better than Batman in certain physiological effects (e.g. while Batman can detect a sniper's bullet by the overpressure in the air, Daredevil can detect an individual human heartbeat many blocks away in the middle of a crowd; Steve's superior 'human' body; T'Challa's super-senses). However Batman is the only 'peak human' who got there without any outside 'help.'

And that counts for something.

Is Daredevil,Batman or Black Panther this agile? Just asking

Maybe I am mistaking his agility for the shields 🙂

If they were being interrogated by ruthless criminals i think Bats would fair the best due to his superhuman will and mind strength. Dont tell me that his concentration is not superhuman. His focus can't be matched by normal people save monks.

Originally posted by spetznaz
You have good points.

For one, Batman is the only one who is truly peak human .....although to be honest 'peak human' in comics is a bit of a joke as far as I am concerned. More on that later.

Anyways, Batman is the only one who did not take any 'enhancements' As stated, Black Panther is on the heart herb, Steve was a skinny soldier when he 'volunteered' for the Super-soldier Serume, and Matt's accident had a side-effect in that the radiactive goo that took away his sight enhanced his other senses to a level far beyond human.

Now, this is not to say that the three have not been training. Matt went through Stick, Cap has had years upon years of training, and T'Challa is not exactly a herbal addict. But all of them wouldn't be where they are now without those 'additives.'

Batman got where he was through hard work.

Now, as stated, Peak Human in comics is a misnomer. Batman for instance, a 'peak human,' has done stuff (like giving a tree a karate chop and cleaving it into two) that are quite literally beyond Superhuman. But this is comics we are talking about, and all of the characters listed have done feats that are simply as far beyond human as one can get without shooting laser beams from your eyes!

Anyways, in terms of peak human it would have to be Batman. He got there without the use of any super-herb, without the need of a near-metamorphic Super-serum (nigh metamorphic because Steve did not even LOOK like he does now before he took the Serum ....it literally changed his whole bio-organic architecture ....almost like those DNA mutagenic drugs in Batman Beyond), and DareDevil (while having a lot of traditional training) is also beyond human due to the effects of the radioactive goop on his biology.

Then you have Batman .....no mystical herb, no super-science wonder-drug, and no sci-fi-esque 'radioactive accident' spiel going on for him. While the others may be where Batman is and beyond, they did not get their in the same way (actually beyond is several respects ....e.g. DD has better senses, and Cap simply cannot get tired ....something that would have been very beneficial to batman when Bane was sending all sorts of foes against Batman during the events leading up to KnightFall. Had Batman had Steve's ability to INSTANTLY metabolize away fatigue poisons, then the several-week assault that Bane orchestrated wouldn't have worked, and Batman would have been at full potential when he finally went mano-a-mano against Bane. He wasn't, and he ended up with a broken back and a LONG way back to where he was. Actually that shows another thing ....Bruce had to work TWICE to be peak human ....his initial training, and what he had to do after KnightFall).

The others are better than Batman in certain physiological effects (e.g. while Batman can detect a sniper's bullet by the overpressure in the air, Daredevil can detect an individual human heartbeat many blocks away in the middle of a crowd; Steve's superior 'human' body; T'Challa's super-senses). However Batman is the only 'peak human' who got there without any outside 'help.'

And that counts for something.

Good analysis. If its for natural peak-athlete then I do give it to Batman or characters like Shang-Chi, Richard Dragon etc.

Also thats a nice feat what issue did Batman detect a sniper's bullet by its overpressure?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Good analysis. If its for natural peak-athlete then I do give it to Batman or characters like Shang-Chi, Richard Dragon etc.

Also thats a nice feat what issue did Batman detect a sniper's bullet by its overpressure?

Originally posted by golem370
Is Daredevil,Batman or Black Panther this agile? Just asking

Originally posted by Juntai
Did you ask if Batman can do a flip or jump and kick, or whatever he's doing?

He thought the shield's path was the path Captain America was taking.

Which would be impressive, to say the least.

Anyways....Punisher isn't peak human. Daredevil isn't. Batman isn't.

They're all peak-athletes, which is a far cry different.

The only two true peak humans here are Steve and T'Challa.

Though you have to have respect for someone that CAN do it on his own. Bruce is crazy good....

Originally posted by Soljer

Anyways....Punisher isn't peak human. Daredevil isn't. Batman isn't.

They're all peak-athletes, which is a far cry different.

Sorry thats what I mean.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Sorry thats what I mean.

Well, the Punisher isn't even quite on the level of Daredevil and Batman...😬.

I've seen the Punisher get straight up embarassed in the speed category by both Elektra and Captain America.

Originally posted by Soljer
Well, the Punisher isn't even quite on the level of Daredevil and Batman...😬.

Well ive never seen him dodge bullets like Bats and DD ever, but if written properly he should be able to give them a good fight in terms of H2H. Anyway I think hes peak human in terms of durability, even IF commented on his durability.

Originally posted by Soljer

I've seen the Punisher get straight up embarassed in the speed category by both Elektra and Captain America.

Yeah and ive also seen Punsiher evade a suprise attack by Cap and use his speed and reflexes to turn the tables on Cap. Ive also seen Punisher embarrase Nightcrawler and Spiderman , but hes still being embarrased by Elecktra. 🤨

Like ive been saying some writers dont respect a characters history eg Dr Strange running from ninjas, saying part of KPs body is fat when its been stated over and over again its muscle.

Peak Human?

BP over Cap.

While the SS, training, and experience have made cap an ANIMAL.

He was introduced to the serum and training in his late teens/ early 20's.

BP has been training and studying to be the King for his entire life.
He was sharp even before he took the herb.

Also, His strength may or may not be from the herb.
It might just grant him super senses and agility.
correct me if I'm wrong.

I heard that that Bruce started as a Scientist and made a formula that increased his strength and gave him the strength to lift over head 600pounds.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Peak Human?

BP over Cap.

While the SS, training, and experience have made cap an ANIMAL.

He was introduced to the serum and training in his late teens/ early 20's.

BP has been training and studying to be the King for his entire life.
He was sharp even before he took the herb.

Also, His strength may or may not be from the herb.
It might just grant him super senses and agility.
correct me if I'm wrong.

Well from what ive seen of the current BP in comics he probably is better than Cap.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Peak Human?

BP over Cap.

While the SS, training, and experience have made cap an ANIMAL.

He was introduced to the serum and training in his late teens/ early 20's.

BP has been training and studying to be the King for his entire life.
He was sharp even before he took the herb.

Also, His strength may or may not be from the herb.
It might just grant him super senses and agility.
correct me if I'm wrong.

The Black Panther is near the pinnicle of human physical perfection, his natural strength and abilities having been heightened by an unidentified heart-shaped herb administered only to Wakandan kings during a sacred ascension ritual. THe herb is also only in Wakanda. While not superhuman, he is nearly as strong as a human being can become.

Originally posted by Juntai
Did you ask if Batman can do a flip or jump and kick, or whatever he's doing?

Well he did track the movements of the shield and was able to catch up with it after Hulk hit it or tossed it.

Originally posted by Faceman
The Black Panther is near the pinnicle of human physical perfection, his natural strength and abilities having been heightened by unidentified heart-shaped herb administered only to Wakandan kings during a sacred ascension ritual. THe herb os also only in Wakanda. While not superhuman, he is nearly as strong as a human being can become.

Well enhanced....