Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Martian Manhunter would win. A White Martian mindraped Superman, and Martian Manhunter is a hundred times more powerful than one of them.Once, a White Martian made Superman think he was being exposed to Kryptonite. Superman started twitching on the ground and freaking out. Imagine what Jonn would do.
You mean the very same Martian that Supes beat down at the end of the same issue? The same one who feared Supes once he *broke* out of the kryptonite illusion?
No. He just likes to 'big up' other people lol.
Like Seanbaby says on his Superfriends site - why the hell do u need the rest of the superfriends when you've got superman?
Back to the fight...
J'Onn's strength and speed can possibly rival Supes' - but only for a very short while. He gains strength etc by telepathically altering his molecular structure and he can only maintain it for a very short while.
And Martian Vision? Pah...
What gives MM the edge in this fight is his telepathy. I personally put MM above Xavier when it comes to psychic powers, n I know a lot of people agree with me.
It depends on Supes' willpower I think...
He's forced psychics out of his mind in the past - powerful ones too - and he's managed to break through illusions etc.
It's a good matchup.
Physically Supes would kick his arse, lol. But J'Onnz could somehow trap Supes in an illusion or something like that, then I don't see why he doesn't stand a good chance.
I'd say 5/10 each way on this.
Good match.
Did I miss something in the JLA timeline, or did J'onn overcome his fear and extreme vulnerability to fire?
One of Superman's more fearsome abilities is his heat vision, and that is directly akin to fire.
Now, I'm not saying that this alone would win the day for him, but it's certainly something MM would have to take into account.
Well, okay. Let's take his Strength and Speed out of the equation then.
We're left with Intangiblity and Telepathy.
Now arguably, Supes can't counter these.
If MMs intangible then all of Supes speed and strength are useless. And telepathy renders his invulnerability useless too, lol.
Can J'Onn use his telepathy whilst he is intangible? Has this been done before?
And where Flash when you need him? lol! He's good at dredging up Supes' past feats: Check some instances for us where Supes has beaten telepaths before! 😄
Okay, but he only overcame his fear. His actual vulnerability to fire is still very much present (unless, of course, it turned out to be simply a manifestation of his fear, which seems to be quite a popular gimmick).
Nonetheless, as ZephroCarnelian said, the only two really important powers that MM has to use against Supes are intangibility and telepathy.
So here we come down to it. We're pitting a mentally powerful character against a physically powerful character. (Granted, MM's physical capabilities are nothing to sneeze at, but he's still not on a level with Superman).
In a purely physical fight, Superman takes this without too much trouble. If J'onn utilizes his intangibility, that only brings about a stalemate.
But Martian Manhunter obviously wins in the mental arena.
And if this is an all-out, then it's dependent on Superman's initiative roll. If he is able to act quickly enough, he could let loose on Martian Manhunter and take him out before any telepathic attacks could be performed. But if he's slow or holds back, he's in serious trouble.