Originally posted by LootAnd Superman beat him and the rest of the league in more recent times. In fact, he went after Jonn first, and took him out immediately in like a single panel before he could even react. Fenris while powerful, was able to most of what he did, because the league didn't want to kill him, just defeat him and get him back to normal. It took a couple of comics for his fight with the league, and he still didn't mess them up all that bad, comparatively to Superman anyways, who they didn't even end up beating at all, they had to kill Max and release him instead of confronting him because he was far too powerful.
i remember doing this thread a long time ago, many people underestimate the MM, superman goes down.by the way could you tell me the name of that fernus story?
Like I said earlier...
Superman is faster.
Superman is stronger.
Superman is a smarter craftier fighter.
Superman is more durable.
Superman has high resistance to telepathy and telepathic attacks.
And last but not least.... Superman has heat vision.
instead of gettin all melodramtic i'll just post exactly what i posted the last time this came up way back on dec.24 2004
MM totally has this one! he's supes equal in every way plus he has extra powers to boot. Superman already conceded that MM outmtached him, and for lack of a better way of putting it, inspires fear in his Krytonian soul.
to qoute supes himself, "There are only a handful of beings in the KNOWN Universe that i wouldnt like to face in open combat,J'onn is at the top of that list....he's the most powerful being on the PLANET."(JLA:Trial by Fire) vol.14"[/QUOTE]
again going back to an excerpt from a previous post of mine: back in may
while j'onn was living on Mars he was telepathically linked to every member of his race, and all those countless millenia of training, strategies and mind techniques were passed down from generation to generation via telepathy. [/QUOTE]
plus as an added bonus J'onn is just like that kid from xcalibur where when he changes into a new form he has the proportiante abilities....meaning, its not like mystique where no matter who she turns into she's gonna weigh 200 pounds,if J'onn changes into a giant monster he's gonna be as powerful as a giant monster should be.. why do you think he's always trying to keep a cool head cuz if he loses his temper its curtains for anyone in his wake
J'onn will run up on superman and show him the receipt......cuz he owns him!!😄 sorry couldnt resist
Originally posted by manjaroIt's been proven these last few months though that Superman is far too much for the rest of the league to match when bloodlusted. He's too fast, too smart, and too powerful to counter. Normal everyday Supes? I'd give a good edge to Jonn... but as we've seen what bloodlusted Superman really looks like... I wouldn't be so quick to put my money on Martian Manhunter.
instead of gettin all melodramtic i'll just post exactly what i posted the last time this came up way back on dec.24 2004[B]MM totally has this one! he's supes equal in every way plus he has extra powers to boot. Superman already conceded that MM outmtached him, and for lack of a better way of putting it, inspires fear in his Krytonian soul.
to qoute supes himself, "There are only a handful of beings in the KNOWN Universe that i wouldnt like to face in open combat,J'onn is at the top of that list....he's the most powerful being on the PLANET."(JLA:Trial by Fire) vol.14"
again going back to an excerpt from a previous post of mine: back in may
while j'onn was living on Mars he was telepathically linked to every member of his race, and all those countless millenia of training, strategies and mind techniques were passed down from generation to generation via telepathy.
plus as an added bonus J'onn is just like that kid from xcalibur where when he changes into a new form he has the proportiante abilities....meaning, its not like mystique where no matter who she turns into she's gonna weigh 200 pounds,if J'onn changes into a giant monster he's gonna be as powerful as a giant monster should be.. why do you think he's always trying to keep a cool head cuz if he loses his temper its curtains for anyone in his wake
J'onn will run up on superman and show him the receipt......cuz he owns him!!😄 sorry couldnt resist [/B]
I dunno, I don't get it.
Someone give a scenario of Martian Manhunter winning..
Superman is faster. Superman is stronger.. Superman is a smarter craftier fighter. .. Superman is more durable..
Superman has high resistance to telepathy and telepathic attacks, as even Martian Manhunter [although able to touch/read/influence every mind on entire planets.] was able to be taken down by Despero's telepathy. When Superman could not.
Plus, he can shoot Jonn's greatest fear/weakness out of his eyes, at temperatures greater than the sun... And he is still susceptible to it, though not nearly as weak against it as he once was... because an OMAC kept him check with fire during the JSA trial of Atom Smasher.
I think that alone would put Jonn down.
yeah bcuz supes only loses it when it comes to lois, but have you ever seen J'onn lose his temper, yes we have. as fernus he decimated the league effortlessly, and also killed all the white martians that were trapped in the phantom zone with ease...you know how powerful one W/martian is let alone 70? let the two of them meet head to head in apeshit mode. and you'll see how J'onn would freaking destroy the whole planet!
plus j'onn is just as fast, and im willing to say smarter. plus other than the 5 senses J'onn has sesnes and perceptions that exceeds anything we can understand, plus he's a telepath so no matter what move supes want to make, no matter how fast he's gonna be one step ahead. it would be a good match up, but DC wasnt built on the back of MM so of course ther not gonna let superman lose, but given his potential MM is boss and everybody knows it.
Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, I don't get it.
Someone give a scenario of Martian Manhunter winning..Superman is faster. Superman is stronger.. Superman is a smarter craftier fighter. .. Superman is more durable..
Superman has high resistance to telepathy and telepathic attacks, as even Martian Manhunter [although able to touch/read/influence every mind on entire planets.] was able to be taken down by Despero's telepathy. When Superman could not.
Plus, he can shoot Jonn's greatest fear/weakness out of his eyes, at temperatures greater than the sun... And he is still susceptible to it, though not nearly as weak against it as he once was... because an OMAC kept him check with fire during the JSA trial of Atom Smasher.
I think that alone would put Jonn down.
its only a pschological fear, of "crackling flames" not heat vision cuz if that was the case he would be afraid of his own heat that he fires from his eyes
Originally posted by manjaroJonn might be smarter, but he's not a smarter fighter.
yeah bcuz supes only loses it when it comes to lois, but have you ever seen J'onn lose his temper, yes we have. as fernus he decimated the league effortlessly, and also killed all the white martians that were trapped in the phantom zone with ease...you know how powerful one W/martian is let alone 70? let the two of them meet head to head in apeshit mode. and you'll see how J'onn would freaking destroy the whole planet!plus j'onn is just as fast, and im willing to say smarter. plus other than the 5 senses J'onn has sesnes and perceptions that exceeds anything we can understand, plus he's a telepath so no matter what move supes want to make, no matter how fast he's gonna be one step ahead. it would be a good match up, but DC wasnt built on the back of MM so of course ther not gonna let superman lose, but given his potential MM is boss and everybody knows it.
The senses Superman DOES have, are far above Martian Manhunters.
He's no where near Superman's speed, strength and durability though, and I'd like for you to prove it, if you think he is. Superman has been known to move in multiples of lightspeed. I've never seen MM approach this.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalExcept Superman is resistant to telepathic assaults. It took years for someone to someone to dominate him. Despero was assaulting him and couldn't, and he mentally assaulted and dominated Aquaman and MM at the same time.. who are both world affecting level telapths.
the problem for Supes is that if MM doesn't want Supes to touch him Supes won't ever be able to whilst MM can continuously bombard supes with his exceeding powerful telepathic assaults.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalHow? When it's proven that he's not even as powerful as Despero and a comic later, when the 3 of them and Batman attacked Superman, they couldn't beat him and Despero couldn't beat or dominate him mentally.
when did he exactly dominate MM? and what could Supes possibly do to affect MM? especially when MM could just turn intangible? and if MM tried he could easily mindrape Supes. Aquaman isn't world affecting I would place him around Emma Frost level at most.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalDifference is... that part of Martian Manhunter is gone after Trial of Fire. Also, this is more current, therefore more viable. Also, it took The Burning several comics to fight the league. Superman bloodlusted dismantled them in a few panels. Martian Manhunter was the first to go.
yes but in Trial of Fire he mindraped him. That's only time he went full on out.
he has advanced shape shifting powers. Extreme telepathic powers beyond that of Xavier. He has around class 100 strength and can match Supes for like 5mins. Superspeed nearly that of Supes. Martian vision. Intangibility. Invisibility. 9 senses. Genius intellect. What else? Just the guy to take out Supes.
"Fenris while powerful, was able to most of what he did, because the league didn't want to kill him, just defeat him and get him back to normal"
The league stated they werent holding back against Fernus and still got served.
"He's no where near Superman's speed, strength and durability though"
Bullocks. How does someone "not near his level", aids in moving the moon?
How he wins? Tp, and all the versability he possess.