Jedi Master Yoda vs. ROTS Anakin

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He won't listen. His ego's been attacked by three people now. He'll continue this until it become a debate on the ethics of debate. It's happened infinity+ times.

I know its frustrating Lucien that I have countered all your arguments many times over..

"He wnt listen" means "he wnt accept our arguments".. Well the fact is iv countered them all, so theres no need for me to accept your flawed arguments.

And by the way its you and gideon who've diverted away from the actual debate and made it into "oh its him.. he wnt listen" as in a personal attack on me, simply for challenging your arguments, which isnt even difficult.

So dnt be a hypocrite and say im the one whose gna change this to a debate on ethics of debate, when your the ones who start with the personal attacks.

Except you didn't point out anything that Dooku was superior in. The reason why I am dropping the debate with you is because you wanna argue with canon. If you don't like it, you don't go by it. Yes the first clone wars cartoon was over the top force powers. But so was TFU, so should we not go by it because we don't like it. It's still canon. Windu also displayed greater feats in the new series than Dooku also.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Except you didn't point out anything that Dooku was superior in. The reason why I am dropping the debate with you is because you wanna argue with canon. If you don't like it, you don't go by it. Yes the first clone wars cartoon was over the top force powers. But so was TFU, so should we not go by it because we don't like it. It's still canon. Windu also displayed greater feats in the new series than Dooku also.

No you stopped debating because i ripped apart all your points.. With TFU its the novel thats considered cannon.. We cant consider every move in the game cannon.

You were comparing force feats from Dave Filonis show to the show that Dave filoni himself calls "over the top".. Use logic, how is that a fair comparison.

I challenged you and said why didnt Mace just force crush those lasers shooting at him and obiwan, but you had no answer. That in itself shows the differnce in power level of the mini series and Dave Filonis series.

Not to mention that I tackled that feat anyway. The fact that the droids were being dumb and not all firing at him. And i also pointed out how Obiwan was ambushed by droids and took them all out with the Force, and we all know Dooku is far far above Obiwan in the force.

And actually your being very hypocrytical because Your the one whose not accepted cannon. You simply wnt accept that Dooku had a far far easier time dealing with Bulq and Ventress than Mace did. Which is simply proof Dooku is superior to Mace in the force.. Maybe not in raw power, but certainly in knowldege and mastery of using that power to dominate other force users. Thats cannon. But you wnt accept it.

You even resorted to lies saying Bulq and Mace wernt trying to hurt each other without any proof or source to back that up. Iv got the comic.. Bulq vowed to kill Mace. Mace was fighting for his life and for the republic. Never once did he even hint he wuldnt hurt Bulq.

I havent lied once. You have. You accuse me of not accepting cannon, when actually thats you. And then you have the nerve to tell me you wnt debate me on moral grounds??? what a joke!

CaNon.

Power is right, if it was displayed in the novel, it is considered canon, whereas every single move or power cannot be as it is up to the player what happens or what you earn.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No you stopped debating because i ripped apart all your points..

I havent lied once. You have. You accuse me of not accepting cannon, when actually thats you. And then you have the nerve to tell me you wnt debate me on moral grounds??? what a joke!

Oh... Stop.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
LMAO....

No, you didn't. And you still have not got to Gideon's points.

Cause Gideon said hes not debating anymore.. And hes brought up the same points which iv already answered. For example hes saying again Dooku used FL on Bulq just like Mace used the Force on Bulq.

Big difference which iv already expalined a zillion times is the FL completely knocked him out. Mace's Force push didnt... And Bulq also got a force push on Mace.. Mace was on the ground! He culdnt force push Dooku onto the ground in his dreams..

And i checked again, Mace got in a force push while Bulq was just rambling on.. and his force push didnt even leave him unconcious so not in Dooku's FL league which iv already explained but Gideon just doesnt listen (or doesnt want to understand the simple and obvious point).

Also Dooku was tooling Bulq in the saber fight as well. Mace wasnt.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm not going by game mechanics. The novel is also has over the top force powers, hence the name "The Force Unleashed"..

The name came from the game.. and was in reference to a particular character whose force powers were great and whose not holding back on using the force.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Dave has no right to decide what is canon on other sources. The first cartoons are still canon... get over it."..

The story is cannon.. however if they showed the same story in the new cartoon, they would probably show something similar but dun with much difficulty, and perhaps with more tactics used. Look Yoda in episode 1 of the new series culdnt take on as many droids with his lightsaber as mace did without in that mini.. So by that argument Mace has better TK feats than both Yoda and Sidious. So just think about that and use some logic.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The fact remains that Mace took out larger more superior forces with the force alone, while Dooku was ashamed by DRUNKEN pirates. Hell even Palpatine seemed too ashamed to look at him.."..

Dooku actually never attempted to use the Force on them.. More proof that Dooku doesnt like risking his life.. Mace as we know is more than willing to give his life for the cause of the republic... So Obiwan took out many more driods than those pirates with the force alone... so is your argument that Obiwan is better with the Force than Dooku now?? Of course not.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If you go by the new series alone, you have Mace tossing over a huge walker,.."..

With both hands and full concentration.. Whilst Dooku just raises his hand and causes the stone roof to cave in on anakin and obiwan.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
reducing a small army of droids to scrap,,.."..

yeah i dnt even remeber the last time we saw dooku fight clones, forget droids.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
and slambing a huge platform to crush a tank.

Ashoka pulls a larger platform onto a whole load of droids to save anakin in the CW movie.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Why didn't Count Dooku use force lightning during his last fight with Anakin and Obi Wan?.

Maybe cause he was just able to flick Obiwan away with his hand.. Anakin was too much for him, and gave him no oppurtunity to use his greater force powers.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Mace was busy dodging incoming blaster bolts. And who said he can just crush everything in sight. He couldn't use a force wave on for space like he did on Dantooine. He was in an inclosed area.

Should have been easier.. Just smash the whole wall in.. It was only a few guns!!! If that was Dooku ud be going on and on, that Dooku has his lightsaber and struggles against a few guns whilst Uber Mace without his Saber would smash 1000 battledroids! Lol!
Not to mention Mace was in an open space on Genosia in ATOC.. but culdnt do any such thing... A feat that would have saved hunderds of Jedis!

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The pirates were not firing at Dooku either. And Mace took out the droids before they could fire..

But Dooku knows the pirated arnt as stupid as droids and would all shoot together.. Also mace took out all the droids in front of him, whilst none of the ones behind him were firing.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
When was this? And did he have the aid of a lightsaber?..

Episode 4 of the new series.. GG and his droids ambushed Obiwan, and he took them all out including 3 destroyer droids just using the force! he had his lightsaber but didnt use it.. he just used the force.. I guess that makes Obiwan a better force user than Dooku right?? because Dooku got caught by pirates!

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
See Gideon's post. And as I said Mace didn't seem to wanna hurt him. That is why he ended the fight with a simple force push.

Iv read Gideons desperate ramblings. Mace pushed Bulq while Bulq was rambling to go save the other jedis.. There was not even the slightest hint anywhere that he wasnt willing to hurt Bulq. You need to get over that. If he culd have rendered Bulq unconcious like Dooku did then he WOULD HAVE! Because he didnt want Bulq to escape. Case closed. Stop arguing this point..
Dooku has without a doubt showed far superior skills against Bulq and Ventress than Mace has. And they are the best source of comparison as they are opponents that both of them have fought.

Iv read Gideons desperate ramblings.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Iv read Gideons desperate ramblings.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This requires a double dose. facepalmfacepalm

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This requires a double dose. facepalmfacepalm

Originally posted by mattatom

Facepalm jackpot. Ka-Ching!!

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Facepalm jackpot. Ka-Ching!!

First; I'm not singling you out Slash. I just used your post as a reference. Second; DP raises a good argument, as does Gideon. I rather enjoy the debate. I see no reason why it's necessary to insult DP for bringin up very valid points (not saying that they're indisputable by any means, which is why I wait for a legitimate response from Gideon as well as anyone else who has something logical to offer to the debate,,, not this facepalm, double faceplam bs).

Weird, I sense more hostility, provoking and eagerness to win the debate from DP.

And sometimes, the bad grammar gets to me. People here take you more serious when you at least try to adapt proper grammar and spelling. It's canon, not cannon and the plural of Jedi is 'Jedi', not jedis.

to the debate,,,

to the debate,,,

to the debate,,,

to the debate,,,

This looks awefully familiar.

Oh.

The improper use of ellipses begs the question:

Que?

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Weird, I sense more hostility, provoking and eagerness to win the debate from DP.

hostility happens when people just ignore your points and decide to attack your personality/character instead.
As for the eagerness to win.. well you cant win against people who are completely unwilling to change their opinions. Although it is frustrating when people just select the evidences they want to accpet from canon sources, whilst ignoring others.
For example it is very clear Dooku dominated both Bulq and Ventress far more easily than Mace did when he fought them. However people just refuse to accept this even though its there in front of their eyes to see. Now im not saying that means Dooku is superior to Mace. But it certainly shows Dooku does have some superior skills to Mace which were particularly useful in disposing of those opponents more efficiently. Whilst of course Mace is superior in other ways, physical strength for example.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
And sometimes, the bad grammar gets to me. People here take you more serious when you at least try to adapt proper grammar and spelling. It's canon, not cannon and the plural of Jedi is 'Jedi', not jedis.

Yeah correct grammar.. thats the real issue here right?? Well i kinda just fit posts in the odd chance i get.. I dnt have time to make sure my "grammar" and "spelling" are correct before i post. I do have other things to do you know. (like watch Star Wars again. joke)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah correct grammar.. thats the real issue here right?? Well i kinda just fit posts in the odd chance i get.. I dnt have time to make sure my "grammar" and "spelling" are correct before i post. I do have other things to do you know. (like watch Star Wars again. joke)

Somehow you got from my "people here take you more serious then" to "that's the real issue here". It actually doesn't take much time to just write in proper grammar while you're typing, to capitalize the I and write words like don't completely. If you have time to write down pages of arguments, you may just as well improve it with the simple task of adding proper grammar like most of the others do.

Sometimes the way something is said is also very important regardless of the message. Sender sends message through medium to receiver, all 4 are important.

jawdrop

Slash is... competent.

Good show!

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
jawdrop

Slash is... competent.

Good show!

About time someone noticed! It only took longer than a year.

i h8 u tho,,, 💃

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