where is the hypocrisy in holding a character's powers to its definition? the laws of matter and energy still apply within the marvel universe, stated most recently by beast and hank pym, yet wolverine can use a "healing power" to create an entire arm from scratch? unless his powers become retconned into biological alchemy, turning air and nothingness into functioning tissue colonies, it's impossible. throwing around a straw man defense to the debate doesn't change that fact.
Originally posted by DisappearYou're right it doesn't, so why do you throw around a strawman argument?
where is the hypocrisy in holding a character's powers to its definition? the laws of matter and energy still apply within the marvel universe, stated most recently by beast and hank pym, yet wolverine can use a "healing power" to create an entire arm from scratch? unless his powers become retconned into biological alchemy, turning air and nothingness into functioning tissue colonies, it's impossible. throwing around a straw man defense to the debate doesn't change that fact.
And why do you hold all those other characters to
"It's fantasy"
And wolverine to
"He's more realistic"
?
*coughhypocritecough*
is your entire argument as to wolverine being capable of impossible feats that other characters can do impossible things as well? this isn't a "class action" argument, and you can't prove something "right" by calling it wrong, yet standard. for example, nobody can say criticism of bush's war in iraq is unfair because the critic doesn't mention the bay of pigs. facts remain that in the case of wolverine, and the definition of his powers, he should not be able to, under any natural circumstances, recreate an entire arm.
Originally posted by DisappearAnd he tries to cover his hypocritical ass. 😄 Cute.
is your entire argument as to wolverine being capable of impossible feats that other characters can do impossible things as well? this isn't a "class action" argument, and you can't prove something "right" by calling it wrong, yet standard. for example, nobody can say criticism of bush's war in iraq is unfair because the critic doesn't mention the bay of pigs. facts remain that in the case of wolverine, and the definition of his powers, he should not be able to, under any natural circumstances, recreate an entire arm.
This ain't politics, this is comic books and. . .
But actually that's what makes something acceptable, they are comic book characters and frequency leads to acceptablitiy
Except for wolverine 🙄 It's ALWAYS idiocy on his part. 🙄
narratives to an absent third party are likely the most arrogant and non-conclusive parts of debates...
if you can explain to me why wolverine's powers include spontaneous generation of something from nothing, without causing contradiction against your own arguments with other characters, i'll gladly listen. if you can tell me with a straight face that wolverine isn't the character with the most mishandling per capita, i'll steal you a frickin' oscar.
Originally posted by DisappearAnd what about the condesending tone? Isn't that annoying too? 😉
narratives to an absent third party are likely the most arrogant and non-conclusive parts of debates...
Originally posted by DisappearWhat was mitosis again?
if you can explain to me why wolverine's powers include spontaneous generation of something from nothing, without causing contradiction against your own arguments with other characters, i'll gladly listen. if you can tell me with a straight face that wolverine isn't the character with the most mishandling per capita, i'll steal you a frickin' oscar.
Creating something from. . . what?
eh, i've got sisters. the tone isn't my biggest peeve at this point.
mitosis is cellular division, making one into two. not making none into one. and, even if an utterly inicinerated arm still had enough cells left for mitosis to occur, they were completely separated from any nutrient sources to propogate the reproduction. but the idea is that there were no skin/muscle/any tissue cells left, only metallic bone. and as a non-living, unbreakable, invariable metal, i doubt adamantium and mitosis are acquainted. but then, even if they were, you'd only have more adamantium, not a regenerated arm...
Originally posted by DisappearWhy wouldn't he be able to regenerate his arm? 😄
eh, i've got sisters. the tone isn't my biggest peeve at this point.mitosis is cellular division, making one into two. not making none into one. and, even if an utterly inicinerated arm still had enough cells left for mitosis to occur, they were completely separated from any nutrient sources to propogate the reproduction. but the idea is that there were no skin/muscle/any tissue cells left, only metallic bone. and as a non-living, unbreakable, invariable metal, i doubt adamantium and mitosis are acquainted. but then, even if they were, you'd only have more adamantium, not a regenerated arm...
Obviously if all of his flesh were incinerated he wouldn't be coming back. 🙄
But aren't we just talking about his arm? 🤨
Why is it so unbeleiveable? 😕
for cellular mitosis to recover entire tissue colonies, in perfect harmony, from the shoulder down to the fingertips is beyond a body's capabilities, first. if we circumvent that and assume this "stored in every cell" theory is true, then it would be more possible. but to regenerate that much lost tissue would cause the rest of his body to atrophy as the fundamental nutrients and necessary tissues were shunted to the regeneration of the arm. even with this theory, without the ability to make something out of nothing, regenerating anything of that size would take too much out of logan's body that he couldn't simply "heal" it away. this segways into the "perpetual energy" theory some fans apply to logan, as suggested when he cannibalized his own arm to survive, which goes beyond the scope of logan's actual powers into the faux-alchemic regeneration i brought up posts ago.
so, without drastically changing the very definition of his powers, logan should not be able to do what he's done. thus, either his powers are not what they are defined to be, or a bunch of idiots don't understand the implications of his power range and just let him heal away any and everything with no consideration of how or why...
Originally posted by Disappear
for cellular mitosis to recover entire tissue colonies, in perfect harmony, from the shoulder down to the fingertips is beyond a body's capabilities, first. if we circumvent that and assume this "stored in every cell" theory is true, then it would be more possible. but to regenerate that much lost tissue would cause the rest of his body to atrophy as the fundamental nutrients and necessary tissues were shunted to the regeneration of the arm. even with this theory, without the ability to make something out of nothing, regenerating anything of that size would take too much out of logan's body that he couldn't simply "heal" it away. this segways into the "perpetual energy" theory some fans apply to logan, as suggested when he cannibalized his own arm to survive, which goes beyond the scope of logan's actual powers into the faux-alchemic regeneration i brought up posts ago.so, without drastically changing the very definition of his powers, logan should not be able to do what he's done. thus, either his powers are not what they are defined to be, or a bunch of idiots don't understand the implications of his power range and just let him heal away any and everything with no consideration of how or why...
All that is made moot by the fact that Wolverine IS beyond normal human abilities from the get go, unless you can find me someone who has survived what he has.
Remember
Wolvie swiss cheeseified is okay.
Normal human takes this and they die:
Originally posted by wolverine8888Misrepresentation, you do this a lot. It's never stated definitively as you imply. It's never stated that his arm would grow back in "if not seconds", it's never even definitively stated in that arc that the arm would grow back at all, Azazel is just taking precautions. Azazel based solely on knowledge that Wolverine has healing powers opinionates that if he is similar in that respect to his minion Ophis, that the arm could re-form in minutes (with no implication of seconds), however all this really definitively says is that Ophis can reform his arm in minutes.
in the draco run issues it is stated if wolveriens arm was indeed cut off it would grow back in a matter minuts if not seconds.
Listening to you guys now is just getting boring.
This can go both ways and there are facts to back up each side depending
on the writer and the artists.
it's a comic, even humans in the comics are not actual images of humans in our real world.
The clear problem here is not whether or not he would grow the arm
back, but mainly why in the heck are you still going back and forth
locked in some sick battle where the person who googles the biggest
word for the day wins?
the key phrase for today children is "flip-flop" because this thread has more than the last presidential election campaign.
mitosis is a vocab term from ninth grade biology... no need to google it.
anyway, whether or not he's beyond human capabilities, his healing factor has always been described as an "advanced healing factor," or superhumanly fast healing factor. it clearly lets him live through traumas that would kill a lesser man, and it clearly lets him heal much faster than anyone could ever hope to. i won't ever argue that fact, unless certain cases (decapitation) continue to be brought up. what i'm arguing is that anything considered "advanced" must be compared to the lesser example, i.e. wolverine's healing v. mine or yours. and, though it's better by leagues, it still needs to function on primarily the same level, within the same relative laws, such as cellular division. unless, as my entire argument has been saying, his power gets retconned into an alchemic restructuring of lost mass. otherwise, he's doing the impossible, despite the "advance." that's like saying a modern day laptop is infinitely better than the first prototype computers (entirely true,) but can also fly to the moon under its own computerized will...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Misrepresentation, you do this a lot. It's never stated definitively as you imply. It's never stated that his arm would grow back in "if not seconds", it's never even definitively stated in that arc that the arm would grow back at all, Azazel is just taking precautions. Azazel based solely on knowledge that Wolverine has healing powers opinionates that if he is similar in that respect to his minion Ophis, that the arm could re-form in minutes (with no implication of seconds), however all this really definitively says is that Ophis can reform his arm in minutes.
seeing how wolverine kills orph and the ngith crawls father realy did not seem to have any reason it would not. also why would the writers put that in if not true? also i could just use wolverine 32 were is plainly yes cutting off his head did not work.
azazel doesn't know wolverine's powers, there's no reason to believe what he's saying is fact. if magneto said "i bet elixir can give himself wings and dances pretty well," just out of pure speculation, there's no reason to believe elixir could or does. it's not fact, it's opinion.
and i'm gonna just skip over the 32 reference, considering how many times i already said my piece on that.