Nothingness

Well obviously nothing will come of nothing.

Exactly....👆

How can ''something'' exist, if you claim that ''nothingness' doesnt exist?

But that lot won't believe a fool (Shaber) 🙁

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

How can ''something'' exist, if you claim that ''nothingness' doesnt exist?

You gave the example of light and darkness. Darkness is the absence of light, and it exists. But it is possible to have an absence of light. If even empty space is "something," it is not possible to have an absence of something, so no nothing should exist.

You obviously have no concept of what nothing is.

Nothing is absence of EVERYTHING, and that includes, space and time.

Sheesh.

And for something to exist, there has to be a 'nothing'

I know exactly what nothing is. Or rather, I know how you define it. And by your definition, nothing cannot exist, darkness and light and all other metaphors be damned.

Originally posted by Gregory
You gave the example of light and darkness. Darkness is the absence of light, and it exists. But it is possible to have an absence of light. If even empty space is "something," it is not possible to have an absence of something, so no nothing should exist.

Nothing will come of Nothing, speak again, lest you marr you fortunes 😠

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You obviously have no concept of what nothing is.

Nothing is absence of EVERYTHING, and that includes, space and time.

Sheesh.

And for something to exist, there has to be a 'nothing'

👆 Nihilism is a weird and perplexing genre.

Gregory > Erm...what the hell are you talking about? Do you even know?

Light and dark have nothing to to with this, it was an example.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Gregory > Erm...what the hell are you talking about? Do you even know?

Light and dark have nothing to to with this, it was an example.

See, asking people if they know what the hell they're talking about is what you do not do if you're trying to keep a conversation polite.

You might have meant it to just be an example, but what you said was:

"Darkness is absence of all light, and darkness exists, does it not? Therefore, nothingness exist, only as absence of everything."

That's not an example, its an explicitly stated relationship: X, therefore, Y.

.....and? It was ment as an example and if you read a whole of my reply it should suggest so.

Now, if you have a point about nothingness, do state it, and if you wanna challange my point of view do that too....otherwise...dont bother.

That was the whole of your reply, except for
"I dont understand your point????
Nothing is absence of everything."

My argument goes something like this:
Every thing that exists, exists somewhere.
Therefore, if nothing exists, it exists somewhere.
But the universe exists entirely withing space-time
Since you have stated that space--even empty space--is something, nothing cannot exist in this universe.

Alright, but how can something exist, with out nothing?

You basicly, with your point, calim that there is no such a thing as nothingness.

hmm..dunno what you chaps are babbling about 🙂

nothing-ness is only theoretically coceivable. Even in the void of space..there is nothing there, however, the mere fact of it being called void makes it something
true nothingness can only be obtained as a state of mind, i guess...after a sh!t load of practice...in fact...that's the end goal of a lot of meditation techniques..

You cant see nothingness, or touch it or feel it, or smell it, but that doesnt in any way suggest it isnt there. We, as humans being all curious and stuff can only grasp a concept of nothingness in our mind.

Storm said ''is it only a concept of a mind''

I say, no it isnt. Because that would suggest that if there was no human being to think it, there would not be such thing as nothingness. Which again, i dont agree with.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Alright, but how can something exist, with out nothing?

I don't think it is evident that you can't have something without also having nothing. You state it as a fact, but other than metaphorically (with the light stuff), it has not been demonstrated that something requires nothintg.

No, I disagree with that complitely.

Simply bacuse...you just sad ''its not been demonstrated that something requers nothing'' and that is nonsense.

If you take away that ''something'' you are talking about, what are you left with?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, I disagree with that complitely.

Simply bacuse...you just sad ''its not been demonstrated that something requers nothing'' and that is nonsense.

If you take away that ''something'' you are talking about, what are you left with?

Nothing. But even at the time of the Big Bang, something existed; even with the heat death of the universe, something will exist. Theoretically, you could get nothing by taking away something, but in reality, it does not appear that something can ever be taken away.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You cant see nothingness, or touch it or feel it, or smell it, but that doesnt in any way suggest it isnt there. We, as humans being all curious and stuff can only grasp a concept of nothingness in our mind.

Storm said ''is it only a concept of a mind''

I say, no it isnt. Because that would suggest that if there was no human being to think it, there would not be such thing as nothingness. Which again, i dont agree with.

what r you talkin about. nothingness isn't in anyway untouchable, un-smellable, etc in the same way as..let's say AIR is.
Nothingness is a concept.....there is always SOMETHING SOMEWHERE.

if there would be no human to think such a concept it would indeed disappear. Just like....perpetum mobile(sp.), or even numbers for that matter.
The human brain allows us to think things on a different level...and percieve ideeas superior to...a dog. Who will pick a pile of 5 biscuits over one of 2 because it is bigger, NOT because he knows 5 > 2..

Wiat, wait, wait...you just contradicted yourself. You said there cannot be 'something' with out nothing but when i asked you what do you get when you take away that something, you said 'nothing'. Therefore, you cant have one with out another.

Bing Bang is a theory, not everyone believes it, and people have different views on how it actually happened, but thats a whole another argument.

Just because we as humans cannot grasp the idea of 'nothing', it DOES NOT mean that it isnt there.

You say ''it does not appear that something can ever be taken away'', says who?
I disagree with that, just because the idea is unfamiliar to you, to us humans generaly, it certanly doesnt mean that it 'cant be'.

Why cant it be? Because our mind cannot grasp the idea that there truly is 'nothing'?