Nothingness

Originally posted by Dexx
what r you talkin about. nothingness isn't in anyway untouchable, un-smellable, etc in the same way as..let's say AIR is.
Nothingness is a concept.....there is always SOMETHING SOMEWHERE.

if there would be no human to think such a concept it would indeed disappear. Just like....perpetum mobile(sp.), or even numbers for that matter.
The human brain allows us to think things on a different level...and percieve ideeas superior to...a dog. Who will pick a pile of 5 biscuits over one of 2 because it is bigger, NOT because he knows 5 > 2..

Concept of nothingness would dissapear if there were no humans? Are you serious?? So what you are saying, if there were no humans on this planet, all the concepts would dissapear??

I think not.

No, true nothingness can't exist. No matter where you look, there is something there. In space, the fact that it's named space makes it something.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wiat, wait, wait...you just contradicted yourself. You said there cannot be 'something' with out nothing but when i asked you what do you get when you take away that something, you said 'nothing'. Therefore, you cant have one with out another.

Nothing is not a pre-existing state. That is to say that, yes, if you took away something, you would get nothing. But until you take away something, you don't have nothing. That is, you cannot have something without the theoretical potential of having nothing.

You say ''it does not appear that something can ever be taken away'', says who? I disagree with that, just because the idea is unfamiliar to you, to us humans generaly, it certanly doesnt mean that it 'cant be'.

Conservation of mass and energy say that the mass and energy of the universe will not dissapear; thus; we will always have something. I do not claim that it is absolutely impossible that nothing exists; merely that it does not mesh with my current understanding of the universe.

Ah, well ''your'' and ''our'' current understanding of the universe doesnt match with the 'nothingness' theory, yes, i'll acept that.

However, for the rest, who may have misunderstood or whatever.

Nothingness is NOT something you can see, or feel or touch, its just absence of everything, and that means you cant withness it, personaly.

''wherever you look there is something'' of course there is, you wouldnt be able to see nothingness anyway...thats why its nothingness.

The concept no-mass, no-space and no-time can be present somewhere in the universe, and that would = nothingess.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Concept of nothingness would dissapear if there were no humans? Are you serious?? So what you are saying, if there were no humans on this planet, all the concepts would dissapear??

I think not.

pfhah!..you'd better think it. what is there to exist of an ideea, if there's no-one there to THINK it. hironic to say...it would be nothing, of that concept 😉

it is like you're saying that a memory of someone exists when no-one remembers that someone..

Ah, i see what you're taling about.

Yes, i agree...ideas and thoughts are only there as long someone is there to think them. 👆

However, i believe that somewhere in the universe (since we do know squat about it) there is an absence of time, mass and space.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

The concept no-mass, no-space and no-time can be present somewhere in the universe, and that would = nothingess.

yes, i agree with you, so long as you underline that concept word at the start of your phrase.
Nothingness is only a concept...that's what i said.
it's the same with those that you stated. you know the concepts of weight, space and time..you cannot imagine how things would be outside of those concepts.....but you accept the conceptual possibility.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
However, i believe that somewhere in the universe (since we do know squat about it) there is an absence of time, mass and space.

VERY odd to describe space as a 'thing'. Could someone actually describe what they mean by thing?

😑 i dont think ive refered to it as a thing...i have refered to it as ''something'' though....

Well, I could do with that defined as well then... because space isn't really an object- by very definition, it is the gap between objects. Between ANYTHING. It doesn't realy have any existence in of itself. Like, if you ask "what temperature is space?" the answer is "Space doesn't HAVE a temperature. It doesn't exist to have one. You mean what temperature are things IN space?"

It is a gap between the objects, but its still there. It isnt an object, true, but it exist, its a gap. There is no mass in that gap, but there is time....and space itself, right?

Im saying that if there is nothingness is no space, time or mass. If you have either of those present, then...its not 'nothing'.

No, space has no quantative existence to apply time to. It does not exist so it has no space as a dimensional term you use it as, and without space you have no time.

The word 'space' when used to define the big 'out there' above our heads defines an absence.

Incidentally, having no mass has nothing to do with being space.

aaa..so yure underlining the relativeness of 'nothingness'. Yes, you might say that there is nothing in an empty box, the 'something' being what you were looking for in it. But then..there is soemthing in it..there is air...
the same with space....deppends on what your level of 'something' is set on. One might say space isn't nothingess, even simply because ...it has a name.
nothingness is what we would find where there is no space....if such a thing is possible..

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, space has no quantative existence to apply time to. It does not exist so it has no space as a dimensional term you use it as, and without space you have no time.

The word 'space' when used to define the big 'out there' above our heads defines an absence.

Incidentally, having no mass has nothing to do with being space.

I wasnt neccesseraly refering to space as universe.

Err, no, what you find if there is no space, Dexx, is an object!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I wasnt neccesseraly refering to space as universe.

Sorry, you are going to have to explain yourself better- that comment does not really appear to relate to mine.

hmm...ok....i see it as...

If you have no space(as in...generaly no space anywhere) or no time or no mass, anywhere in the universe...😖 than that would =nothingness.

Aaah i see what you said. Ok, my bad.

No, you cant have space and no time, you're right, but im saying that 'nothing' is not just in our mind, that such a thing can be...if there was no space time or mass.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err, no, what you find if there is no space, Dexx, is an object!

why? 🙂...an object is filled space.....not absence of space.

Wrong way around. Space is an absence. If there is no space, that can only be because there is something there.