Odin vs. Superman Prime

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/jlegion.html

To a Superman Prime bio.

700th century AD when a haggard and haunted figure descended out of the skies above the planet Earth. Superman Prime, Kal-El of Krypton, the original Superman had returned to his adopted home. He had been places and dimensions that few had even knew of and even fewer understood. He had wrestled with gods and demons. He had overturned hell and fought his way past the gates of Heaven looking for the soul of beloved Lois who due to his immortality he could never join in the afterlife

The Superman Prime that appeared out of the sun in the year 85,271 is certainly the post powerful member of the Superman Dynasty ever seen and it is quite conceivable that he is now a New God despite his returned humanity. It should be also noted that Superman Prime is currently in possession of the last of the Green Lantern power rings

Says nothing about a Sword. Pre-Crisis had a sword

It came to pass that, in the course of a great battle for Truth and Justice, man and sword finally came together. For the first time the sword allowed itself to be grasped by the hand of a man. Holding it, Superman found himself expanding, spreading across the winds of the universe, the whole history of creation flooding his mind. His consciousness expanded, he was becoming an all-seeing, all knowing Protector. Then he let it go.

"You have done well, my son. You have earned your name. Your future is yours to make. Your greatness among living things is assured." This message was left in his head as the sword receded into the blackness of space once again. The sword remains out there. It waits until he who has earned it is ready to retrieve it and fulfill his ultimate destiny in Eternity (Superman Annual #10).

Well, with the power of this alleged sword in question, What puts Superman Prime on the same level as Odin?

The fact that he absorbed thousands of years of sun radiation, so that he is many times more powerful than the original Superman. Also his GL ring. Refer to Kento's link above for more info...apparently he has some imp blood in him, and has a few other new additions.

-DM

That would mean that he is about 83 thousand times stronger than Superman.

A Green Lantern Ring is powered by the will and imagination of its wielder. I fully understand it's capabilities. I don't think a powered up Superman/Green Lantern is on par with Odin.

How do either of these assets put him at or above Odin's level?

Imp Blood? What does that do?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The fact that he absorbed thousands of years of sun radiation, so that he is many times more powerful than the original Superman. Also his GL ring. Refer to Kento's link above for more info...apparently he has some imp blood in him, and has a few other new additions.

-DM

And before absorbing all the solar Energy, and getting the GL ring he's fought gods, and demons, and fought his way past angels through the gates of heaven to find Lois.

😄 That's got to count for something, and he was weaker at the time.

Though it sounds pretty shifty, I'd credit his sucesses to Superman's "fighting spirit," if you know what I mean. He's no quitter.

I still don't see him beating Odin.

Well Odin is a god, Superman's fought gods in Ragnarok so it wouldn't be anything new, and then the whole fighting gods, and demons in the 700th century, then staying in the sun till the 853rd century, and then getting the GL ring which is as strong as the persons will, and if Supes doesn't have a strong will then who does?

Hal Jordan?

I wonder how well Hal without the ring or anything just normal would fair against Poison Ivy trying to control him.

I would think he'd do pretty well.

Being called a "god", especially pantheonic gods doesn't really mean anything. I haven't read anything about Superman Prime, but if he's supposedly thousands of times more powerful than regular Superman then I don't see how Odin can beat him.

Take Thanos and Thor for instance. Thanos is probably three or four times more powerful than Thor, as he was able to easily disable a maddened Thor possessing the power gem. Now when Thanos fought Odin it's clear that Thanos was able to give the skyfather a little trouble. Of course, Thanos had no chance of beating him but the fact that the Titan was able to withstand Odin's attacks says something about the power differential between the two of them. Don't say that Odin wasn't taking it seriously - he had his spear with him, he knew Thanos was a villain and Thor's life was in danger. Anyway, I don't think anyone will argue that the power difference between Thanos and Odin is large... say three, four or even five times more powerful than Thanos (lets give Odin the benefit of the doubt)...
So if 1 Thanos = 4 Thors; and 1 Odin = 5 Thanos; that means Odin = 20 Thors
Now, lets assume that roughly 1 Superman = 1 Thor
then it'll take at least 20 Supermen to equal Odin... maybe even 50!
Now, Superman Prime is at least a thousand times more powerful than regular Superman... I think it's pretty clear...

Looking at it another way, during the Surtur saga, no one will argue that Surtur = Odin, some would even say that Surtur is more powerful than Odin. But did you notice that Loki, all by himself, was able to pester Surtur. Loki!! The half giant whos on Thor's level of power!! The God of Mischief wouldn't have beaten Surtur but it shows how powerful Loki is in comparison to Surtur, and hence in comparison to Odin. Now imagine Loki's power multiplied by at least one thousand... Surtur would definitely go down. That's how Surtur will do against Superman Prime. Hence, that's how Odin will do against Superman Prime.

I'm now ready for someone to blow holes in my argument 😱

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
I would think he'd do pretty well.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Being called a "god", especially pantheonic gods doesn't really mean anything. I haven't read anything about Superman Prime, but if he's supposedly thousands of times more powerful than regular Superman then I don't see how Odin can beat him.

Take Thanos and Thor for instance. Thanos is probably three or four times more powerful than Thor, as he was able to easily disable a maddened Thor possessing the power gem. Now when Thanos fought Odin it's clear that Thanos was able to give the skyfather a little trouble. Of course, Thanos had no chance of beating him but the fact that the Titan was able to withstand Odin's attacks says something about the power differential between the two of them. Don't say that Odin wasn't taking it seriously - he had his spear with him, he knew Thanos was a villain and Thor's life was in danger. Anyway, I don't think anyone will argue that the power difference between Thanos and Odin is large... say three, four or even five times more powerful than Thanos (lets give Odin the benefit of the doubt)...
So if 1 Thanos = 4 Thors; and 1 Odin = 5 Thanos; that means Odin = 20 Thors
Now, lets assume that roughly 1 Superman = 1 Thor
then it'll take at least 20 Supermen to equal Odin... maybe even 50!
Now, Superman Prime is at least a thousand times more powerful than regular Superman... I think it's pretty clear...

Looking at it another way, during the Surtur saga, no one will argue that Surtur = Odin, some would even say that Surtur is more powerful than Odin. But did you notice that Loki, all by himself, was able to pester Surtur. Loki!! The half giant whos on Thor's level of power!! The God of Mischief wouldn't have beaten Surtur but it shows how powerful Loki is in comparison to Surtur, and hence in comparison to Odin. Now imagine Loki's power multiplied by at least one thousand... Surtur would definitely go down. That's how Surtur will do against Superman Prime. Hence, that's how Odin will do against Superman Prime.

I'm now ready for someone to blow holes in my argument 😱

Commendations. Brilliant argument.

...Just one discrepancy. Superman is limited to super-strength, superspeed flight, and superhuman durability.

Odin has all of the above abilities at his disposal. If he can create an indestructable suit of armor with unlimited strength, I doubt he'd have much of a problem endowing himself with any level of strength, durability, or any other superhuman ability. Odin's magic is quite potent. If I am not mistaked, magic is one of Superman's weaknesses. Odin would be a much better fighter than Superman as well.

Even if it's a close battle, I would say Odin has an advantage.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
...Just one discrepancy. Superman is limited to super-strength, superspeed flight, and superhuman durability.

Odin has all of the above abilities at his disposal. If he can create an indestructable suit of armor with unlimited strength, I doubt he'd have much of a problem endowing himself with any level of strength, durability, or any other superhuman ability. Odin's magic is quite potent. If I am not mistaked, magic is one of Superman's weaknesses. Odin would be a much better fighter than Superman as well.

Even if it's a close battle, I would say Odin has an advantage.

He's also limited by his will. The GL ring he has remember. And he can take magic. Its not a weakness it's just something that can go through his bio-field, and hurt him but if its not strong enough it won't do much.

Anything that goes through Superman's bio-aura with no resistance will hurt him.

The Odinforce is capable of much. I don't think Superman could withstand a fully powered Odinforce blast.

From what I've read Superman Prime doesn't have that weakness to magic anymore and having lived for thousands of years, I think it's safe to assume that he has as much battle experience as Odin. And I didn't mention the GL ring. No doubt, Odin has superspeed, superstrength and flight... the question is how fast, how strong and how durable is he compared to Superman Prime? Also, there's a limit to Odin's magic. If he could endow himself with any level of strength, speed, durability and any other type of ability, Surtur wouldn't have given him any trouble.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Anything that goes through Superman's bio-aura with no resistance will hurt him.

The Odinforce is capable of much. I don't think Superman could withstand a fully powered Odinforce blast.

Well... that's what's great about having superspeed. Because Superman's had dealings with DCs asgardians, he'd know that Odin is a magical being so he's not going to stand there and take an Odinforce blast straight in the chest. Fortunately, the blast doesn't follow it's target like Darkseid's Omega beams.

I was under the impression that Superman bathed in the sun for a eighty three thousand years, not fought. Regardless, isn't Odin older than that?

There must be a limit to Odin's power, indeed. That doesn't (or shouldn't,) limit the degree of physical power he can endow himself with.

If I am not mistaken, Surtur is on par with Odin.

Yes, he was in the sun for that long. My mistake. Although he did spend, what, about a century fighting in Asgard? Well... the thing about saying that Odin doesn't have a limit on the amount of physical power he can endow himself with is that, he would then, theoretically, be able to become as physically powerful as the Living Tribunal?