Odin vs. Superman Prime

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
I was under the impression that Superman bathed in the sun for a eighty three thousand years, not fought. Regardless, isn't Odin older than that?

There must be a limit to Odin's power, indeed. That doesn't (or shouldn't,) limit the degree of physical power he can endow himself with.

If I am not mistaken, Surtur is on par with Odin.

He was only in the sun for 15,000 years. The rest of the time after Lois got old, and died he left Earth, fought gods, demons, and learned more about his self, and his powers, and was able to break through the gates of heaven, and get to heaven while still being alive.

Also he has 1000 years of fighting in Ragnarok as Present day Supes.

Odin would curbstop Prime, Odinsword vs Sup sword....please
Odin is the God of Gods, Prime is not totally unvulnerable to magic, just a lil more than he used to due to the imp blood.

But he isnt immune to Odin sucking his solar energy away.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Yes, he was in the sun for that long. My mistake. Although he did spend, what, about a century fighting in Asgard? Well... the thing about saying that Odin doesn't have a limit on the amount of physical power he can endow himself with is that, he would then, theoretically, be able to become as physically powerful as the Living Tribunal?

The Living Tribunal...

Theoretically, there are a host of beings that could match the Living Tribunal's strength. Anyone with unlimited strength, (The Asgardian Destroyer, Hulk, Beyonder, one of the Infinity Power Gem wielders,) could "match" The Living Tribunal's strength. Matching his power is another matter entirely. It may seem silly, but it's logically sound.

Originally posted by long pig
Odin would curbstop Prime, Odinsword vs Sup sword....please
Odin is the God of Gods, Prime is not totally unvulnerable to magic, just a lil more than he used to due to the imp blood.

But he isnt immune to Odin sucking his solar energy away.

He's got GL ring, a strong will, and all his powers amped up by a whole lot.

Supes was in the sun for 15000-18000 years?

Even stars will burn out and it's power is not unlimited, so lets say that Supes have the power of a star. So what makes him so powerful?

Originally posted by Molecule man
Supes was in the sun for 15000-18000 years?

Even stars will burn out and it's power is not unlimited, so lets say that Supes have the power of a star. So what makes him so powerful?

He's an alien who gains more powerful with yellow sunlight.

K Von Doom Being called a "god", especially pantheonic gods doesn't really mean anything. I haven't read anything about Superman Prime, but if he's supposedly thousands of times more powerful than regular Superman then I don't see how Odin can beat him.

Yup. That works both ways. Prime fighting "gods and demons" means what? Kalibak is a god - a crappy one at that. Ghost Rider is a demon. Gods and demons don't mean much. Skyfathers are on another level.

Take Thanos and Thor for instance. Thanos is probably three or four times more powerful than Thor, as he was able to easily disable a maddened Thor possessing the power gem. Now when Thanos fought Odin it's clear that Thanos was able to give the skyfather a little trouble. Of course, Thanos had no chance of beating him but the fact that the Titan was able to withstand Odin's attacks says something about the power differential between the two of them. Don't say that Odin wasn't taking it seriously - he had his spear with him, he knew Thanos was a villain and Thor's life was in danger. Anyway, I don't think anyone will argue that the power difference between Thanos and Odin is large... say three, four or even five times more powerful than Thanos (lets give Odin the benefit of the doubt)...
So if 1 Thanos = 4 Thors; and 1 Odin = 5 Thanos; that means Odin = 20 Thors

True. Take Tyrant for instance, he stomped Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Surfer, Terrax, and Jack Of Heart all at once - but it took him serveral tries to put each down. Tyrant too struggled with Thanos, but not as much as Odin did.

However, Odin backhanded Surfer like a whore and Surfer's out of the fight. It didn't take a few tries; a swipe and Surfer's out. Odin did struggle with Thanos and couldn't put him down. Now before you say anything, Annihilus has given Thor trouble, but when he mouthed off at Odin and tried to attack, Odin blasted him outta Asgard in one blast. Odin's taken out several Enchanters, while the weakest one have given Thor trouble.

Now take into account that Beyonder, Tyrant, Walker, and Magus' Thanos clone has either lost or have had trouble putting Thanos down.

That's what you gotta love about Thanos he has the durability to keep going and going. WM Thor w/ Power Gem was slugging it out with Thanos, who rather enjoyed it.

Now, lets assume that roughly 1 Superman = 1 Thor
then it'll take at least 20 Supermen to equal Odin... maybe even 50!
Now, Superman Prime is at least a thousand times more powerful than regular Superman... I think it's pretty clear...

But he has trouble with Solaris?

Looking at it another way, during the Surtur saga, no one will argue that Surtur = Odin, some would even say that Surtur is more powerful than Odin. But did you notice that Loki, all by himself, was able to pester Surtur. Loki!! The half giant whos on Thor's level of power!! The God of Mischief wouldn't have beaten Surtur but it shows how powerful Loki is in comparison to Surtur, and hence in comparison to Odin. Now imagine Loki's power multiplied by at least one thousand... Surtur would definitely go down. That's how Surtur will do against Superman Prime. Hence, that's how Odin will do against Superman Prime.

I'm now ready for someone to blow holes in my argument.

Surtur had the Twilight Sword did he not? Surtur also destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword to fight Odin right? From what I know, he's a bit below Odin; that Sword puts him above Odin.

That's nice but Loki has owned Beta Ray Bill, Drago, and Masterson Thor with his mystical attacks before. Odin has kicked Seth's but and killed him. Does Prime have any energy projections aside from heat vision? Cause all he's going to due is punch harder.

Furthermore, according to that and another bio, they list him as possibly being a New God. Guess what, Orion is a new god, so is Darkseid.

Prime = New God
Kalibak = New God
Prime = Kalibak

Theoritically Prime should be on Galactus level, but he's not. I mean all Solaris did was emit radiation to kill the Supermen. Prime needed the ring to kill Solaris?

Originally posted by long pig
Odin would curbstop Prime, Odinsword vs Sup sword....please
Odin is the God of Gods, Prime is not totally unvulnerable to magic, just a lil more than he used to due to the imp blood.

But he isnt immune to Odin sucking his solar energy away.

Prime = New God
Kalibak = New God
Prime = Kalibak
Wrong, Prime can be called a New God, but Kalibak is bee compared to him, Prime has raw power and physical powers that exceed those of any non cosmic being in D.C. Universe.

Originally posted by K3VIL
[B]Superman has the Sword Of Heaven, the sword stucked in the Sea Of Eternal Night is powerful as the Sword Of Heaven?

Maybe you can give me a link to this Sword?

Wrong, Prime can be called a New God, but Kalibak is bee compared to him, Prime has raw power and physical powers that exceed those of any non cosmic being in D.C. Universe.

😂 That's nice, so does Surfer and Odin punked him good. All your going by is word of mouth of Prime fanboys.

Originally posted by Beyonder
True. Take Tyrant for instance, he stomped Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Surfer, Terrax, and Jack Of Heart all at once - but it took him serveral tries to put each down. Tyrant too struggled with Thanos, but not as much as Odin did.

However, Odin backhanded Surfer like a whore and Surfer's out of the fight. It didn't take a few tries; a swipe and Surfer's out. Odin did struggle with Thanos and couldn't put him down. Now before you say anything, Annihilus has given Thor trouble, but when he mouthed off at Odin and tried to attack, Odin blasted him outta Asgard in one blast. Odin's taken out several Enchanters, while the weakest one have given Thor trouble.

Now take into account that Beyonder, Tyrant, Walker, and Magus' Thanos clone has either lost or have had trouble putting Thanos down.

That's what you gotta love about Thanos he has the durability to keep going and going. WM Thor w/ Power Gem was slugging it out with Thanos, who rather enjoyed it.

Surtur had the Twilight Sword did he not? Surtur also destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword to fight Odin right? From what I know, he's a bit below Odin; that Sword puts him above Odin.

From what I remember, Beta Ray Bill and Gladiator both tried to rush Tyrant but both were quickly KO'd by an energy blast, so it didn't take several tries to put them down. Terrax wasn't fighting Tyrant, he was too busy with Morg. With the Surfer, are you saying that if Tyrant (who's near Galactus level) wanted to kill Surfer, it'll take him several hits in order to do so?

With regards to Annihilus... Juggernaut and Hulk have constantly given Thor trouble, does that mean they're more powerful than Thor?

I'll have to read up on the Twilight Sword to see how it was forged but whether Surtur destroyed a galaxy or not, hasn't Odin boasted about having the same level of power before? He and Odin would have to at least be equals, or else Odin wouldn't have run away on their first meeting.

they'll both lose to someone like flash prime or spectre. ( i know this is totally random.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
they'll both lose to someone like flash prime or spectre. ( i know this is totally random.

Don't forget jplatinum. 🙄 He beat Galactus and The LT. I have written proof that he did these things.

superman prime has, to my knowledge, only displayed the ability to be even faster/stronger/more durable. plus the GL ring.

you can't beat odin with nothing but hyper-increased superman powers. the guy's magic puts him on another level. you need crap like power cosmic or ridiculously strong magic to take out odin.

flash prime rocks.

Info on the Sword Of Superman

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Link 2

If the Sword of Prime IS the Sword of Superman...

Then I fully believe that Prime is totally invincible without question.

The problem is... it can't be proved that they're the same sword.

There's not enough known about Supes Prime to pitch him against people in fights.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Info on the Sword Of Superman

Link 1

Link 2

That's nice, now give me a link to the Sword of Heaven, not the Sword of Superman. I don't know why you showed me something I already know. Pre-Crisis Superman had the Sword of Superman - 'kay, what's new?

Now find me references that point to Superman Prime having the Sword of Heaven. Or find me references that Prime has the Sword of Superman.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
[B]From what I remember, Beta Ray Bill and Gladiator both tried to rush Tyrant but both were quickly KO'd by an energy blast, so it didn't take several tries to put them down. Terrax wasn't fighting Tyrant, he was too busy with Morg. With the Surfer, are you saying that if Tyrant (who's near Galactus level) wanted to kill Surfer, it'll take him several hits in order to do so?

It took him a while to take any of them out. Terrax took a cheap shoot at Tyrant and Tyrant took him out. Tyrant isn't near Galactus' level; he's certainly above Thanos.

With regards to Annihilus... Juggernaut and Hulk have constantly given Thor trouble, does that mean they're more powerful than Thor?

Annihilus invaded Asgard as Thor tried to protect it; Odin owned the hell out of him. During Across All Worlds while Thor fought Gladiator, Odin woke from his sleep and the invading army of trolls lead by Ulik were stopped by him. He then used his magic send Gladiator back to the future as Kallark pleaded for Odin to kill Thor.

I'll have to read up on the Twilight Sword to see how it was forged but whether Surtur destroyed a galaxy or not, hasn't Odin boasted about having the same level of power before? He and Odin would have to at least be equals, or else Odin wouldn't have run away on their first meeting.

Surtur is a bit below Odin, but that Sword made him stronger. I mean, if they're equals (while Surtur had the Sword), Odin wouldn't need his sons by his side.

Originally posted by Beyonder
It took him a while to take any of them out. Terrax took a cheap shoot at Tyrant and Tyrant took him out. Tyrant isn't near Galactus' level; he's certainly above Thanos.

Annihilus invaded Asgard as Thor tried to protect it; Odin owned the hell out of him. During Across All Worlds while Thor fought Gladiator, Odin woke from his sleep and the invading army of trolls lead by Ulik were stopped by him. He then used his magic send Gladiator back to the future as Kallark pleaded for Odin to kill Thor.

Surtur is a bit below Odin, but that Sword made him stronger. I mean, if they're equals (while Surtur had the Sword), Odin wouldn't need his sons by his side.

At the end of that fight, Tyrant looked to goad Galactus into a fight by keeping Morg and letting the rest go. Galactus didn't fight. Surely, someone who isn't near Galactus-level wouldn't have posed a threat to the World Destroyer. And, you're saying that Odin can take out Surfer with one shot but it'll take Tyrant more than one shot to do the same? Even though Thanos looked a lot worse after his fight against Tyrant (and Thanos needed a weapon to even things out) rather than his fight against Odin.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with Annihilus and Gladiator. I've already said that Thor has had trouble with Hulk and Juggernaut before, but I wouldn't consider them as being more powerful than Thor. And both those guys would be quickly KO'd by Odin, at the same time.

Surtur is a bit below Odin? Then why did Odin run away on their first meeting when both his brothers were there to help? The only thing that the Twilight Sword did was prevent Odin from becoming a giant. When Thor finally separated Surtur from that sword, Odin immediately grew to Surtur's size and they wrestled.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
There's not enough known about Supes Prime to pitch him against people in fights.

Exactly.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
At the end of that fight, Tyrant looked to goad Galactus into a fight by keeping Morg and letting the rest go. Galactus didn't fight. Surely, someone who isn't near Galactus-level wouldn't have posed a threat to the World Destroyer. And, you're saying that Odin can take out Surfer with one shot but it'll take Tyrant more than one shot to do the same? Even though Thanos looked a lot worse after his fight against Tyrant (and Thanos needed a weapon to even things out) rather than his fight against Odin.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with Annihilus and Gladiator. I've already said that Thor has had trouble with Hulk and Juggernaut before, but I wouldn't consider them as being more powerful than Thor. And both those guys would be quickly KO'd by Odin, at the same time.

Surtur is a bit below Odin? Then why did Odin run away on their first meeting when both his brothers were there to help? The only thing that the Twilight Sword did was prevent Odin from becoming a giant. When Thor finally separated Surtur from that sword, Odin immediately grew to Surtur's size and they wrestled.

Odin and his brothers where powerful each of them where on the same level as thor. But when his two brothers where fatally injured in battle with sutur they passed on their powers too odin in which created the Odinforce.