Originally posted by K Von Doom
[B]At the end of that fight, Tyrant looked to goad Galactus into a fight by keeping Morg and letting the rest go. Galactus didn't fight. Surely, someone who isn't near Galactus-level wouldn't have posed a threat to the World Destroyer. And, you're saying that Odin can take out Surfer with one shot but it'll take Tyrant more than one shot to do the same? Even though Thanos looked a lot worse after his fight against Tyrant (and Thanos needed a weapon to even things out) rather than his fight against Odin.
Let's break this down then:
- Galactus didn't fight Tyrant - so Galactus >= Tyrant?
- Tyrant took several shots to put each herald level guys down - it happened, not just an assumption
- Odin knocked Surfer out in one shot? - damn right he did, not an assumption either.
No one interfered and Thanos also walked away from that fight. Bill and Sif interfered in Odin and Thanos' fight. Thanos took a full blast from Tyrant that ripped the entire citidal. Odin flew with Thanos dragged behind, the impact of the landing weakened Thanos. If that fight had continued, Thanos would've lost as well.
Both things happened. So Galactus didn't engage Tyrant. It still clearly doesn't mean Tyrant and Galactus are on the same level. Tyrant was never at his original state. When Tyrant was in his original form, Galactus stomped him - not just an assumption.
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with Annihilus and Gladiator. I've already said that Thor has had trouble with Hulk and Juggernaut before, but I wouldn't consider them as being more powerful than Thor. And both those guys would be quickly KO'd by Odin, at the same time.
Point is Odin punked Annihilus easily. Point is Odin sent Gladiator back to the future. Does Prime some control with time?
Surtur is a bit below Odin? Then why did Odin run away on their first meeting when both his brothers were there to help? The only thing that the Twilight Sword did was prevent Odin from becoming a giant. When Thor finally separated Surtur from that sword, Odin immediately grew to Surtur's size and they wrestled.
If Surtur could take Odin without the Sword, why forge it at all. That Sword gave him one over Odin obviously.
So what can Prime do? Punch harder? Odin has vast magic, killed the Death God Seth, can grow to gigantic proportions, can teleport or teleport people, some control with time, created talisman's (Mljornir, Cast of Winters Past, Amulet of Thousand Suns, etc.), owned Hela in her own realm, etc.
So Prime can punch hard and fly fast? What can he do to Odin?
Odin's Rogue's:
Surtur
Ymir
Hela
Dark Gods
Seth
Prime's:
Solaris. Needed the GL ring for that one.
Originally posted by Beyonder
- Galactus didn't fight Tyrant - so Galactus >= Tyrant?
- Tyrant took several shots to put each herald level guys down - it happened, not just an assumption
- Odin knocked Surfer out in one shot? - damn right he did, not an assumption either.No one interfered and Thanos also walked away from that fight. Bill and Sif interfered in Odin and Thanos' fight. Thanos took a full blast from Tyrant that ripped the entire citidal. Odin flew with Thanos dragged behind, the impact of the landing weakened Thanos. If that fight had continued, Thanos would've lost as well.
Both things happened. So Galactus didn't engage Tyrant. It still clearly doesn't mean Tyrant and Galactus are on the same level. Tyrant was never at his original state. When Tyrant was in his original form, Galactus stomped him - not just an assumption.
Point is Odin punked Annihilus easily. Point is Odin sent Gladiator back to the future. Does Prime some control with time?
If Surtur could take Odin without the Sword, why forge it at all. That Sword gave him one over Odin obviously.
So what can Prime do? Punch harder? Odin has vast magic, killed the Death God Seth, can grow to gigantic proportions, can teleport or teleport people, some control with time, created talisman's (Mljornir, Cast of Winters Past, Amulet of Thousand Suns, etc.), owned Hela in her own realm, etc.
So Prime can punch hard and fly fast? What can he do to Odin?
You don't have to be on the same power level as someone in order to be a threat to them. If Galactus and Tyrant had fought, Tyrant would have lost for sure but the point is, Galactus knew and respected Tyrant's power enough not to engage him in a fight.
So, your ARE saying that Odin is more powerful than Tyrant because of how each handled the Surfer? Thanos was using just his personal power against Odin and he was still standing at the end of that engagement. However, in his fight against Tyrant, Thanos was using one of Tyrant's energy sphere's just to survive - Thanos was getting beat down before he got hold of that weapon.
Why forge the Twilight sword at all? That was for destroying the universe, not for battling Odin.
What can Prime do to Odin? He''d punch him really hard. 😆
If I remember correctly, Odin didn't use magic to beat Surtur, he had to physically wrestle him... and even then it was a draw.
Originally posted by K Von Doom
[B]You don't have to be on the same power level as someone in order to be a threat to them. If Galactus and Tyrant had fought, Tyrant would have lost for sure but the point is, Galactus knew and respected Tyrant's power enough not to engage him in a fight.
'kay, Galactus > Tyrant
So, your ARE saying that Odin is more powerful than Tyrant because of how each handled the Surfer? Thanos was using just his personal power against Odin and he was still standing at the end of that engagement. However, in his fight against Tyrant, Thanos was using one of Tyrant's energy sphere's just to survive - Thanos was getting beat down before he got hold of that weapon.
He used that sphere as a blugent.
It only ended because Bill interfered. Thanos would've gotten stomped even more if they continued.
And even if Tyrant is above Odin, it still doesn't mean Prime would win. Thanos' strength and durabilities are two different things. He couldn't beat Tyrant or Odin, but his durability stood up to their attacks. He's either survived encounters with or beat guys like Tyrant, Beyonder/Kosmos, Odin, Walker, Fallen One, IG Magus' Thanos clone, etc.
Why forge the Twilight sword at all? That was for destroying the universe, not for battling Odin.
Yet he had it when he invaded Asgard. And preventing Odin from growing large isn't giving Surtur an edge?
What can Prime do to Odin? He''d punch him really hard. 😆If I remember correctly, Odin didn't use magic to beat Surtur, he had to physically wrestle him... and even then it was a draw.
He's also fought Seth in giant size. And they didn't just punch each other. Odin crushed him, turned him into energy, and killed Seth. Hela aged Thor just by her touch, Odin came in, grabbed her wrist and surged energies that had Hela on her knees. He even told her not to mess with Thor. He also stomped a group of Enchanters.