Nate Grey Vs Silver Surfer

"damn near anything huh, what about telepathy, no amount of power cosmic can give u telepathy, even galactus had to be a born telepath to read minds, powercosmic cant grant telepathy, nor can it grant sight into the future, and i havent yet seen the power cosmic stop time like nate did anywhere.and HE CANT return life to souls, just take souls which have notpassed on back to their physical bodies, remember even the grandmaster cant bring back souls that have passed on nor can galactus let alone surfer."

Surfer has Telepathy. Go read SS v4. Surfer has moved through time. Read late issues of SS v3, it's in there somewhere. Surfer didn't return her soul to her body, he brought her back to life. Get it?

Originally posted by Nataku8188
1) Show me where I said he was more powerful.

2) If you had read the rules, you would know both contestants have a general knowledge of eachother. As soon as the fight starts, Surfer will be on Nate, and he will be dead. If you knew much about biology, you would know that your body can't process thoughts at the speed of light, that's why Surfer will win. He will be ontop of Nate before he can process a thought.

As soon as the fight starts? unless its at a random moment, nate will know when its about to start and can put up a shield...ur acting as if nate is a dumbass and someone says 321 GO and SS is all over nate. dont talk about biology man, if u knew anything about common sense ud know that people generally know *nanoseconds* before a fight is gona start. especially a psionic.

If he's so powerful then why does he have trouble doing anything? Why couldn't he just warp reality to save himself, like SW or FR would do? He isn't THAT powerful, characters like Phoenix are above and beyond simply because they have more avenues to what their power can to.[/B]

Uhh wtf? why do you sound intelligent but hint otherwise? everyone knows that nate was never shown at his full potential. so with his low power/control during his short life he was never written to "warp reality to save himself". i was speaking in terms of what he CAN do, not what he DID do. and for your information he did a lot with the little power he had. as i've stated before that shows how dangerous he is if he was ever at full power.

I say this because the power cosmic can do damn near anything. He can manipulate matter, return life to souls (Apparently), create objects, destroy things, augment his power, use telepathy. This statement proves without a shadow of a doubt you have NO idea about Surfer's powers, and really should go read some Surfer comics.
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Wow so that means surfer is God? i think u are over-exaggerating surfer. and its funny how you add "telepathy" in the end like it matters against the most powerfull telepath there is. okay let me withdraw some comments first. nate may not be as powerfull as dark pheonix

If you gave Surfer full power and all his control he'd be Galactus. Surfer is only limited by the amount of power cosmic he can contain, just like Nate Grey. So if you want to give Nate Grey, 'full' power, then lets give Surfer 'full' power. He'll have all the power cosmic, and Nate will have all the Raw mutant power. Guess who's gonna win? The guy who is a fundamental force of the universe.
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Okay man, again you totally understand nothing and blow smoke. throughout nate greys life he had only a portion of his total power - that is why me and many others always say "nate at full power". if nate had the amount of access to his powers as surfer does [proportion wise], it would make a fair fight. EXAMPLE : you cant have a baby fight a man, u must have them both around the same age atleast.

Let's not forget we aren't arguing about if he was seasoned. We are arguing NG before he died vs SS. Even with all that, he is nowhere near the powerhouse of the MU. Go pick up something besides an X-comic, because really, you have no idea how powerful the cosmic beings in Marvel are. Whenever they show up in X-comics they are almost always written poorly, or weaker than they normally are. Check out Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four, pretty much any comic dealing with the Big Guns, because really, mutants are a joke compared to some of these characters. [/B]

Jeez cmon man, i said NG is not even seasoned. SS doesn't age, hes a freaking cosmic being. ur talking about a human being god damn. you like biology right? heres some biology for ya - human beings get wiser and stronger as they grow older.

Magneto is only half power and half witts/experience. i was saying that imagining nate grey with full power and at around magnetos age as to show a different perception of how powerfull he can become.

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
As soon as the fight starts? unless its at a random moment, nate will know when its about to start and can put up a shield...ur acting as if nate is a dumbass and someone says 321 GO and SS is all over nate. dont talk about biology man, if u knew anything about common sense ud know that people generally know *nanoseconds* before a fight is gona start. especially a psionic.

But the fight is like 321 go. Read the rules.

Uhh wtf? why do you sound intelligent but hint otherwise? everyone knows that nate was never shown at his full potential. so with his low power/control during his short life he was never written to "warp reality to save himself". i was speaking in terms of what he CAN do, not what he DID do. and for your information he did a lot with the little power he had. as i've stated before that shows how dangerous he is if he was ever at full power.

So why don't we talk about how strong surfer COULD BE, if Galactus embued Surfer with more of the power Cosmic, as has happened before to increase his power for a short time.

Wow so that means surfer is God? i think u are over-exaggerating surfer. and its funny how you add "telepathy" in the end like it matters against the most powerfull telepath there is. okay let me withdraw some comments first. nate may not be as powerfull as dark pheonix

I don't think Surfer is god at all, but there really isn't much that he can't do. The power cosmic can do just about anything. As far as I can see, without the energy of a soul, he can't return life to people, which is why it never happens except in Shalla Bal's case. I added the part about Telepathy because someone falsly stated that he does not have telepathy. Yes, thank you for being honest and having some integrity, unlike most members of the forums.

Okay man, again you totally understand nothing and blow smoke. throughout nate greys life he had only a portion of his total power - that is why me and many others always say "nate at full power". if nate had the amount of access to his powers as surfer does [proportion wise], it would make a fair fight. EXAMPLE : you cant have a baby fight a man, u must have them both around the same age atleast.

I completely understand, but this isn't talking about NG at FULL potential. He was plenty powerful as he was, and if you are going to max him out for this fight, then I say we max Surfer out for the fight. Just because one fighter is 40, doesn't mean a 20 year old who is naturally more talented can't win. NG at 'full' potential, if what I hear is correct, is a very very powerful character.

Jeez cmon man, i said NG is not even seasoned. SS doesn't age, hes a freaking cosmic being. ur talking about a human being god damn. you like biology right? heres some biology for ya - human beings get wiser and stronger as they grow older.

Magneto is only half power and half witts/experience. i was saying that imagining nate grey with full power and at around magnetos age as to show a different perception of how powerfull he can become.

See above response.

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Originally posted by Nataku8188
But the fight is like 321 go. Read the rules.

So why don't we talk about how strong surfer COULD BE, if Galactus embued Surfer with more of the power Cosmic, as has happened before to increase his power for a short time.

I don't think Surfer is god at all, but there really isn't much that he can't do. The power cosmic can do just about anything. As far as I can see, without the energy of a soul, he can't return life to people, which is why it never happens except in Shalla Bal's case. I added the part about Telepathy because someone falsly stated that he does not have telepathy. Yes, thank you for being honest and having some integrity, unlike most members of the forums.

I completely understand, but this isn't talking about NG at FULL potential. He was plenty powerful as he was, and if you are going to max him out for this fight, then I say we max Surfer out for the fight. Just because one fighter is 40, doesn't mean a 20 year old who is naturally more talented can't win. NG at 'full' potential, if what I hear is correct, is a very very powerful character.

See above response.

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u seem to forget that surfer is not an evolving entity, he is almost at his full potential with little room for improvenment, his cells can synthesise cosmic energy from the cosmos, he does not posess it innately like galactus hence he can never even be 100th times as powerful as even a a weak galactus, u think that surfer can posess as much cosmic energy as the cosmos itself if he was at full potential well thas simply untrue, even galactus is an extremely small fraction of the entire power of the cosmos{the power cosmic}, the only being that has the entire power cosmic at it's disposal is eternity and entropy, because they represent the universe itself, and surfer can NEVER even at his full potential, posess the entire power cosmic, because that would make him eternity itself, do u understand what i mean. surfer is like xavier or magneto or the high evolutionary, he has almost reached his complete potential unlike nate grey.

and as i said before, her soul had not yet left the ethereal plane of existance, surfer did not bring her back to life because that would mean creating her souul anew, no, he just took he already available soul and gave it back to her body, u should know that CREATING life requires the soul in the marvel universe to have left the ethereal realm of existance. THEN u can say that surfer created her a soul and her life, grandmaster can do the same thing surfer did, but even galactus can not bring back souls which have left the realm of existance forever.

and no1 here should take nate at full potential, but rather at the potential at his death, and even that is enough to beat surfer.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u seem to forget that surfer is not an evolving entity, he is almost at his full potential with little room for improvenment, his cells can synthesise cosmic energy from the cosmos, he does not posess it innately like galactus hence he can never even be 100th times as powerful as even a a weak galactus, u think that surfer can posess as much cosmic energy as the cosmos itself if he was at full potential well thas simply untrue, even galactus is an extremely small fraction of the entire power of the cosmos{the power cosmic}, the only being that has the entire power cosmic at it's disposal is eternity and entropy, because they represent the universe itself, and surfer can NEVER even at his full potential, posess the entire power cosmic, because that would make him eternity itself, do u understand what i mean. surfer is like xavier or magneto or the high evolutionary, he has almost reached his complete potential unlike nate grey.

and as i said before, her soul had not yet left the ethereal plane of existance, surfer did not bring her back to life because that would mean creating her souul anew, no, he just took he already available soul and gave it back to her body, u should know that CREATING life requires the soul in the marvel universe to have left the ethereal realm of existance. THEN u can say that surfer created her a soul and her life, grandmaster can do the same thing surfer did, but even galactus can not bring back souls which have left the realm of existance forever.

and no1 here should take nate at full potential, but rather at the potential at his death, and even that is enough to beat surfer.

1) Galactus is a fundamental part of the universe. If he dies, the marvel universe ends and restarts, like the big bang all over again. Read up on him some, would you? Surfer can only contain so much, but at the strongest he could be, which is what full potential is, he is as strong as the amount of cosmic energy he has. If you embued him with all of the power cosmic, guess what, he'd have it till he ran out and had to synthesize more.

2) HER BODY WAS DESTROYED! He returned the soul to life, he recreated her body and gave it the ability to create life for as long as she lives. That's quite a bit of power.

3) No one should take him by ANY potential, but by what he was. I could say Surfer has the potential right now to do alot of things, but I can't prove most of them. You have to base your argument on things he has shown to do, not what you think is possible to do, unless you have supporting evidence. I think he's got enough power to find a way to beat surfer, but I doubt he'd be able to do it in time. Like you've all said, he's unseasoned, and has very little control of his power. Surfer is much more seasoned, has excellent control of his power, and can do almost anything with his power.

nope wrong incorrect, a full power galactus does not have all the cosmic power in the world but only a small fraction of it, and surfer has a MUCH smaller fraction of it, and when galactus dies the universe doesnt end at all, imbalance is formed in eternity and abraxas is formed which kills of other alternate timeline galactuss

and yes THAT IS QUITE A BIT OF POWER but then so is the power to give life baclk to a planet and alll of its inhabitants!!!!!!!!!!!!!

n i did base my arguments on factual proof nataku.

Nataku, what you can't get thru your head is that NG was not at his normal power levels. i dont mean to insult your intelligence but i must use this example :

Power Levels [as in control over ones powers] --
1 - 10 | 10 being absolute full potential | 7 is normal

Nate Grey : 2.5-3.0 [as written] | SS - 7 [as written]

Surfer was never written to be lower than his normal power level, but NG was.

Lets forget the confusion about full power whether it may have been a mistake on my writing or your comprehension. the bottom line is that NG was not written at normal power levels as is most characters.

So, if i may hold you into thinking a bit longer. imagine pitting a cosmic being against a mutant who isn't even at normal power levels. anyone that knows how to spell marvel knows that cosmic beings > mutants and on top of that....you ask nate grey in this fight to have less powers than what would be considered normal.

Why dont you pitt SS against a baby. SS supporters would do anything to ensure a win for him, even unfair shit like this.

booya touchdown! i make miracles happen

I find that last post interesting so...

bump.

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
Nataku, what you can't get thru your head is that NG was not at his normal power levels. i dont mean to insult your intelligence but i must use this example :

Power Levels [as in control over ones powers] --
1 - 10 | 10 being absolute full potential | 7 is normal

Nate Grey : 2.5-3.0 [as written] | SS - 7 [as written]

Surfer was never written to be lower than his normal power level, but NG was.

Lets forget the confusion about full power whether it may have been a mistake on my writing or your comprehension. the bottom line is that NG was not written at normal power levels as is most characters.

So, if i may hold you into thinking a bit longer. imagine pitting a cosmic being against a mutant who isn't even at normal power levels. anyone that knows how to spell marvel knows that cosmic beings > mutants and on top of that....you ask nate grey in this fight to have less powers than what would be considered normal.

Why dont you pitt SS against a baby. SS supporters would do anything to ensure a win for him, even unfair shit like this.

Thats just speculation. If he was never written to his full potential then how do you exactly what his full potential is. How do you know what he's capable of? You cant base a debate on assumptions and guesswork. I sure as hell havent seen Nate do anything that suggested he could take out SS. Nate is just capable bio-engineered to work past the natural limits of cable. Natural limits all powerful energy wielders place around their power subconsciously to protect themselves, to stop themselves from burning out. In Cable and Deadpool Cable being more powerful than ever before and not having the knowledge to work with such power levels, started burning himself out. God like Cable was at this point more or less on par with Nate. God like Cable got absolutely messed up by SS. SS wasnt even trying trying. In an all out battle for survival SS would destroy Nate.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats just speculation. If he was never written to his full potential then how do you exactly what his full potential is. How do you know what he's capable of? You cant base a debate on assumptions and guesswork. I sure as hell havent seen Nate do anything that suggested he could take out SS. Nate is just capable bio-engineered to work past the natural limits of cable. Natural limits all powerful energy wielders place around their power subconsciously to protect themselves, to stop themselves from burning out. In Cable and Deadpool Cable being more powerful than ever before and not having the knowledge to work with such power levels, started burning himself out. God like Cable was at this point more or less on par with Nate. God like Cable got absolutely messed up by SS. SS wasnt even trying trying. In an all out battle for survival SS would destroy Nate.

Quoted for truth.

Wow... for once we're on the same side of an argument. This is awkward.

yeah like a Test Tube Baby mutant bastard could defeat Silver Surfer....odds are Nate would get beat much faster than Godlike Cable.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats just speculation. If he was never written to his full potential then how do you exactly what his full potential is. How do you know what he's capable of? You cant base a debate on assumptions and guesswork. I sure as hell havent seen Nate do anything that suggested he could take out SS. Nate is just capable bio-engineered to work past the natural limits of cable. Natural limits all powerful energy wielders place around their power subconsciously to protect themselves, to stop themselves from burning out. In Cable and Deadpool Cable being more powerful than ever before and not having the knowledge to work with such power levels, started burning himself out. God like Cable was at this point more or less on par with Nate. God like Cable got absolutely messed up by SS. SS wasnt even trying trying. In an all out battle for survival SS would destroy Nate.

If i never reach my potential and lets say i'm running a mile in 2 minutes it would be

1. safe
2. sane
3. more likely

to estimate that at full power i would run faster.

^Pretty simple...so here i go.
Nate Grey was written as not at full potential and did some crazy shit. so why wouldn't you give him the credit of power that he deserves?

Okay here are Surfers powers: He possesses the Power Cosmic (an energy source capable of almost any feat imaginable) and wields a near indestructible Surfboard that travels faster than the speed of light.

His power cosmic is so powerful that it's difficult to find a good fight against Surfer because he can do and has done just about anything.

Matter manipulation, the power reserves of stars, traveling at light speed, ability to endow himself with Class 100 strength, a resistance to telepathy, ability to stand at the center of a super nova without breaking a sweat, energy manipulation powers allowing him to absorb almost any type of energy...

With Nate's powers and abilities, how can he combat all that and plus some?

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To be fair:

Nate Grey's powers:

Known Powers: Telekinesis, Telepathy

Nate Grey is a mutant possessing vast psionic abilities.

Nate has so far shown great telekinetic ability, creating destructive psionic spikes, being able to casually rearrange materials around him, create a form of body armor, and lifting objects of at least 10 tons or more.

Nate is also a telepath of the first order, able to create psionic illusions, read, probe, mindwipe, and control the minds of others, and to pull astral forms into the material plane.

Considering what he can do almost intuitively, it is possible that, with enough practice, Nate Grey could be the most powerful psionic on the planet.

His powers are telekinesis and telepathy. And he is a strong telepath. Very strong. Strong enough to pull Xavier out of the astral plane - something no one else had ever done.

Nate is arguably the most powerful psi talent on the planet. Moira McTaggert even suggested his power could rival that of The Phoenix. He has mind controlled entire crowds, created tremendous TK blasts, and rearranged matter. In spite of his vast power, he has little experience in its use and even less discipline.

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Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
If i never reach my potential and lets say i'm running a mile in 2 minutes it would be

1. safe
2. sane
3. more likely

to estimate that at full power i would run faster.

^Pretty simple...so here i go.
Nate Grey was written as not at full potential and did some crazy shit. so why wouldn't you give him the credit of power that he deserves?

You can only argue his case based on what he's actually done in the comics. Not on what people have said he could potentially do. It just doesnt work like that. I know you like Nate but thats just something you're going to have to accept. God like Cable in power was more or less Nate. All Nate was, was Cable bioengineered to operate beyond the limits energy wielders usually place on themselves. God like Cable who had more experience than Nate got totally messed up by an indifferent SS. SS was not trying. That should tell you all you need to know about the outcome of this battle.

I LOVE NATE!!!

Well obviously Nate is flattered to be in this battle, i mean ss is a cosmotologist hehe. when push comes to shove and u get all gritty reality sand in ur teeth, u cant compare cable vs ss with nate vs ss.

would ss eventually win? i mean let me refresh my surfer101. he doesn't need no energy? hes non-stop, no tiring? i mean thats the main issue isn't it? nate cant go months on fighting unless its in the astral plane...he needs to eat or shit once in a while.

and sadly that is why nate would lose. because he cant telekinetically poop.

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nate grey wins no matter how much the stupid surfer groupies shout for surfer, n thas a fact that aint gonna change.