Originally posted by steverules
I guess we get original villains because they are the originals and the most powerful villains the doctor has ever had
No, not really. They were the most iconic, true, but not the most dangerous- they were an invading alien race. It is only the new series that has turned them into a godlike threat on the scale of the Time Lords.
Besides, Sutekh was the most powerful he ever faced...
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, getting pretty boring that, the whole Dalek destroying thing. I was really hoping they would leave them in this time, because they keep having to explain how they have been rebuilt from scratch again. Also, having the 'push the big red button and they all die' plot use is aggravating.
Yeah, I'd like it to go back to the earlier days when the Doctor might meet the Daleks but after he defeated him they usually remained in some way. Like in Invasion of Earth for example.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh, which reminds me- this story has buggered up the plot of season 1s story 'Dalek'...
How so?
Also, Rose was just saying she hopes to return...I really hope this time they leave that unpassable rift unpassable.
Oh, and Bleach's performence was excellant.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Because 'Dalek', set in 2012, was based around the fact that the owner of the museum was torturing the Dalek because he wanted to find out what it was.Seems doubtful now he needed to do that...
Ahh indeed. Wonder what will happen when someone points that out...
I imagine Van Stattan will no doubt own quite a few dalek derbies by the time of that stroy.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, not really. They were the most iconic, true, but not the most dangerous- they were an invading alien race. It is only the new series that has turned them into a godlike threat on the scale of the Time Lords.Besides, Sutekh was the most powerful he ever faced...
Who's Sutekh?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all human life.He is Set, the Egyptian God from Pyramids on Mars.
Umm...Ush...if Kaan got all the Daleks from the time war and removed them...why aren't the timelords alive?
If I understand correctly, he only got Davros, then Davros used his Kaled cells (the base constituent of all things Dalek) to create a new Dalek race inside the Cascade.
Ironically, after what I mentioned just before the show about the Supreme Dalek not being best buddies with Davros, turned out to be still true! Maybe he should have been black after all...
Originally posted by Ushgarak
If I understand correctly, he only got Davros, then Davros used his Kaled cells (the base constituent of all things Dalek) to create a new Dalek race inside the Cascade.Ironically, after what I mentioned just before the show about the Supreme Dalek not being best buddies with Davros, turned out to be still true! Maybe he should have been black after all...
So what was the purpose in saving Davros just to kill him again? Is it possible that Kaan and Davros are working together towards some greater plan?
edit: Wait a minute! Dalek programming has at its prime order "Surive" perhaps Kaan couldnt help but save Davros in order to save the Dalek Species...despite his seeing Time he couldnt help but save the race...
Ahl, now, what seems to be the entire pointlessness of Caan's strategy is a fair stab at that story. Being the very last Dalek, Caan only had to kill himself, but instead he went back and saved the Daleks so he could... destroy them all... hmm...
You could say he was just mad, of course, but that's dramatically uninteresting.
But much as RTD is a very good writer in many ways, some of those details have never quite been his strongest point. Moffat's always been much more of a completist in that respect (although that said, some bits of Silence in the Library didn't make as much sense as they could).
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
So what was the purpose in saving Davros just to kill him again? Is it possible that Kaan and Davros are working together towards some greater plan?
It's spelt Caan.....and i doubt it, Davros always runs off in the end, usually an escape pod, as for Caan, as he said he was a traitor perhaps Davros will keep him around for information, or perhaps just leave him for dead.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ahl, now, what seems to be the entire pointlessness of Caan's strategy is a fair stab at that story. Being the very last Dalek, Caan only had to kill himself, but instead he went back and saved the Daleks so he could... destroy them all... hmm...You could say he was just mad, of course, but that's dramatically uninteresting.
But much as RTD is a very good writer in many ways, some of those details have never quite been his strongest point. Moffat's always been much more of a completist in that respect (although that said, some bits of Silence in the Library didn't make as much sense as they could).
Dalek programming has at its prime order "Surive" perhaps Kaan couldnt help but save Davros in order to save the Dalek Species...despite his seeing Time he couldnt help but save the race...
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Then that's a plot-hole on Caan's part...
Has anyone read the Issac Asimov story where there is this robot who is convinced humans are simply less efficient robots. However, even though he doesn't recognise them as being Human or cares about the three laws...he still indirectly follows them perfectly- even though he isnt aware he is.
Perhaps Caan is indirectly following the Primary Order.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Has anyone read the Issac Asimov story where there is this robot who is convinced humans are simply less efficient robots. However, even though he doesn't recognise them as being Human or cares about the three laws...he still indirectly follows them perfectly- even though he isnt aware he is.Perhaps Caan is indirectly following the Primary Order.
Could be, could be....who knows maybe this will be touched upon in the future, given Davros's track record i think it's safe to say he will return.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, you might say he didn't notice the problem until he had already rescued Davros.But I have an automatic distaste where you have to fill in significant issues with your own imagaination.
Makes sense...