Phoenix vs Franklin Richards(full power)

Originally posted by Xplosive
It's actully the same, beaucse of PF there is Phoenix, beaucse of PF Jean became Phoenix and so powerful. PF can just leave her, but it won't beacuse they are somehow part, beacuse of her mutation, and that is it, he can leave her, it does not depen on Jean.

😛 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... but anyway, one last time, the PF can't "leave" her, because it doesnt make decisions. Its an unconscious universal force that is part of her.

Its like the "Force" in Star Wars, it doesnt say "aha, Anakin, I'm going to leave you! I dont like you anymore!" and just like the star wars force, the PF can have multiple avatars.

It is also a part of certain other people who have the phoenix mutation, such as Rachel. As you can see in the pictures, the Phoenix and Jean are the same person, and when the Phoenix goes into Emma's body (to be close to Scott, because subconsciously Jean still wants to be with him), Jean says "enough" and yanks herself out.

PF is a symbiote much like Venom. One is as vital to the other one. The PF needs an telepathic host....to give it a "mind" of its own so do speak and experience sensations through the host; In return, the host is given unimagineable power BUT too much power can be deadly to both the PF and host. Too much power will drive the host insane and too much insanity will cause the PF to become destructive as it thrives on new sensations. We don't really know the full aspect of the Phoenix force but seeing what she can do when she's mad.....pray to God it doesn't happen again. The PF has always been with Jean, even when she didn't have access to it, it was still there but dormant. It was part of her mutation.

Originally posted by jffxex1980
PF is a symbiote much like Venom. One is as vital to the other one. The PF needs an telepathic host....to give it a "mind" of its own so do speak and experience sensations through the host; In return, the host is given unimagineable power BUT too much power can be deadly to both the PF and host. Too much power will drive the host insane and too much insanity will cause the PF to become destructive as it thrives on new sensations. We don't really know the full aspect of the Phoenix force but seeing what she can do when she's mad.....pray to God it doesn't happen again. The PF has always been with Jean, even when she didn't have access to it, it was still there but dormant. It was part of her mutation.

exactly, I would say the exact relationship isn't clear, but what is clear is that phoenix/jean grey are inseparable from each other, the phoenix has other avatars, of course, but she is and always will be the phoenix, its part of her mutation.

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
😛 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... but anyway, one last time, the PF can't "leave" her, because it doesnt make decisions. Its an unconscious universal force that is part of her.

Its like the "Force" in Star Wars, it doesnt say "aha, Anakin, I'm going to leave you! I dont like you anymore!" and just like the star wars force, the PF can have multiple avatars.

It is also a part of certain other people who have the phoenix mutation, such as Rachel. As you can see in the pictures, the Phoenix and Jean are the same person, and when the Phoenix goes into Emma's body (to be close to Scott, because subconsciously Jean still wants to be with him), Jean says "enough" and yanks herself out.

Actully Force in Star Wars can leave, it choses, Lucas said that, Force chosed Obi-wan as favorite, you know, that is why he never dies, not luck,y but like Lucas said, beacuse of luck, in Episode III, Force abandon Anakin, that is why Obi-Wan wins. Anyway, Venom can leave it's host, but it doens't want it. Jean Grey will always be the Phoenix, but if PF leaves her, she will be Phoenix, but you won't see aymore fierybird around her.

franklin richards is uberly powerful, everyone has already mentioned his feats as a child so i won't go into them.

but the phoenix force? no way is franklin more powerful than the phoenix force. i would put the hierarchy like this:

toaa
LT
eternity infinity death
phoenix force oblivion
true beyonders franklin

plus, i think it's cool that marvel has super powerful humans. it's a cool concept that humans have such amazing unlocked potential.

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
franklin richards is uberly powerful, everyone has already mentioned his feats as a child so i won't go into them.

but the phoenix force? no way is franklin more powerful than the phoenix force. i would put the hierarchy like this:

toaa
LT
eternity infinity death
phoenix force oblivion
true beyonders franklin

plus, i think it's cool that marvel has super powerful humans. it's a cool concept that humans have such amazing unlocked potential.

i mean the beings that inhabit the dimension that fuels cosmic cubes. they are apparently so alien in nature that they can't even visit are dimension, because it would violate all logic.

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
i mean the beings that inhabit the dimension that fuels cosmic cubes. they are apparently so alien in nature that they can't even visit are dimension, because it would violate all logic.

Beyonder before he became fake was a badass even higher than LT.

Originally posted by kgkg
kosmos? that took the form of beyonder etc.

Beyonder before he became fake was a badass even higher than LT.

But we only thought he was higher than LT, but he was deciving everyone with his illusions. Every almighty pwoered that showed, it was only thought, but it wasn't even a little finger ot LT powers.

He is talking about the race of Beyonders...they are the ones who created the Beyonder and all the cosmic cubes. They easily surpass the PF ...they also Surpass LT as far as I can tell...They are a race of beings, created outside of and before the multiverse. Basically directly beneath TOAA in the hierarchy.

Originally posted by Wynndar
He is talking about the race of Beyonders...they are the ones who created the Beyonder and all the cosmic cubes. They easily surpass the PF ...they also Surpass LT as far as I can tell...They are a race of beings, created outside of and before the multiverse. Basically directly beneath TOAA in the hierarchy.

How can they surpass LT, if GOD=TOAA said LT is second to him, he will be, tig TOAA says, it's enough, he is beyond them. GOD and HOTU are above LT.

no xplosive, the beyonders are beyond the multiverse, what the fake beyonder did was an illusion but real beyonders really could do that. they are far above the tribunal{and every 1 should actually read all the stuff that has ever been known about the tribunal, NOT ONCE DOES IT SAY THAT HE IS SECOND ONLY TO TOAA}, any1 of them could end the multiverse with a single thought, now as far as the debate about franklin richards goes, i ask people again n AGAIN to actually look at the evidence, the fact is that theres far more evidence suggesting that franklin is above it than there is against franklin, just remember that even though its an abstract, its still lower than eternity etc{if not please correct me with evidence} franklin has dont things far beyond the level of eternity as a kid, i know i know it doesnt make any damn sense that havin a mutated dna can give u power to create universes, but these r comics n just like before when galactus was thought to be the most powerful being in the marvel universe, n then there came a thousand other mortal beings which could destroy galactus, its the same with the pheonix force, even at his current potential franklin has shown more promise than the full power {as yet seen} of the pheonix force.

Originally posted by Xplosive
How can they surpass LT, if GOD=TOAA said LT is second to him, he will be, tig TOAA says, it's enough, he is beyond them. GOD and HOTU are above LT.

Beyonder > multiverse (including LT , eternity )

but beyonder was Kosmos (and everything was made fake) since it messed up the hexarchy.

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marvel themselves say that LT is the top of the food chain. moreover, thanos with the IG beat the crap out of eternity, and LT snapped the IG into complete obscelesance.

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