Originally posted by pr1983
yeah, though some characters have inherently human traits, so we must be fair to those also...
i like your format... thats what i had in mind...
Thank you?
Why not giving all nonsuperhuman levels rank 1-2. After all the difference in strenght(example) between a child and a bodybuilder is practically nonexistent compared to the differences caused by superpowers. Wether you have to fight with Cap A.-stregth(2 then) or normal Emma-strength(1 then) is not half as important as the difference in skills (Cap 15 v. Emma 8,i guess you gave her)!
Originally posted by wannabe
Thank you?Why not giving all nonsuperhuman levels rank 1-2. After all the difference in strenght(example) between a child and a bodybuilder is practically nonexistent compared to the differences caused by superpowers. Wether you have to fight with Cap A.-stregth(2 then) or normal Emma-strength(1 then) is not half as important as the difference in skills (Cap 15 v. Emma 8,i guess you gave her)!
yeah, true...
and yes, it was a compliment...
not all categories apply to some characters...
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
hm, why though? She hasn't done anything psychically impressive since being Queen of the Hellfire Club. Jean without overt use of the Phoenix Force has subdued Apocalypse.
She has done that because she had special connection with Cyclops, not becasue of any calcualtion of power, otherwise she could never do that.
Originally posted by Hulk Power
I think Pheonix is the most powerful one.
here is my revised psychics list: 😖
P1 Magneto
P2 Caliban
P3 Typhoid Mary
P4-P5 Mentallo
P6-P7 Empath, Karma, Mirage
P8 Celeste, Mindee, Phoebe (each cuckoo alone)
P9 Psylocke, Mastermind, Marvel Girl (without phoenixboost)
P10 Emma, Selene, Cable (with virus), Celeste+Mindee+Phoebe
P11 Jean (without phoenixboost)
P12 Xavier, Shadowking, Moondragon (without mindgem)
P13 X-man, Cable (without virus), Marvel Girl (phoenixboost)
P14 Moondragon (mindgem)
P15 Franklin, Phoenix
my intelligence (not cunning) list: 😖mart:
I1 Wildchild, Caliban
I2 Toad, Pyro, Sabertooth, Beak
I3 Blob, Avalanche, Wolverine, Iceman, Marrow, Quicksilver
I4 Colossus, Arcangel, Cyclops, Havoc, Polaris, Sunspot
I5 Psylocke, Rogue, Cannonball, Gambit,
I6 Banshee, Karma, Marvel Girl
I7 Nightcrawler, Cable, X-man, Mirage
I8 Jean, Storm
I9 Cecilia Reyes, Bishop
I10 Shadowcat, Emma, Mystique, Selene
I11 Xavier, Magneto
I12 Beast, Sinister, Apocalypse, HighEvolutionary(basic)
I13 Doom, Forge, Sage
I14 Reed Richards
I15 HighEvolutionary (boosted)
Originally posted by wannabe
here is my revised psychics list: 😖P1 Magneto
P2 Caliban
P3 Typhoid Mary
P4-P5 Mentallo
P6-P7 Empath, Karma, Mirage
P8 Celeste, Mindee, Phoebe (each cuckoo alone)
P9 Psylocke, Mastermind, Marvel Girl (without phoenixboost)
P10 Emma, Selene, Cable (with virus), Celeste+Mindee+Phoebe
P11 Jean (without phoenixboost)
P12 Xavier, Shadowking, Moondragon (without mindgem)
P13 X-man, Cable (without virus), Marvel Girl (phoenixboost)
P14 Moondragon (mindgem)
P15 Franklin, Phoenixmy intelligence (not cunning) list: 😖mart:
I1 Wildchild, Caliban
I2 Toad, Pyro, Sabertooth, Beak
I3 Blob, Avalanche, Wolverine, Iceman, Marrow, Quicksilver
I4 Colossus, Arcangel, Cyclops, Havoc, Polaris, Sunspot
I5 Psylocke, Rogue, Cannonball, Gambit,
I6 Banshee, Karma, Marvel Girl
I7 Nightcrawler, Cable, X-man, Mirage
I8 Jean, Storm
I9 Cecilia Reyes, Bishop
I10 Shadowcat, Emma, Mystique, Selene
I11 Xavier, Magneto
I12 Beast, Sinister, Apocalypse, HighEvolutionary(basic)
I13 Doom, Forge, Sage
I14 Reed Richards
I15 HighEvolutionary (boosted)
Great list 😄
Hm. I didn't like Beak on I2. Sure, he's not equipped with the mind of a tactician or a honor student, but is he really as dumb as Toad?
And as for Sabretooth on I2, that's far fetched. He should be pretty much on par with Wolverine...unless you're thinking in movieverse where his vocabulary is a bunch of grunts and growls and "Scream for me...huff..."s.
I'd like to know what you based your middle levels on. I mean, to me, honestly, no offence intended, it seems as if you just broke up the X-Men and placed them randomly on different levels.
For example, Cyclops should be much higher than any of his fellow X-Men considering the tactional power of his mind. I doubt you are measuring intelligence by the level of understanding of the Theory of Relativity. He should be higher than Jean and Storm, most definetly, and while those two ARE best friends, I don't think Jean is very intelligent.
Sure she's saved the day tons of times, as with any X-Man, but its awkward. And the fact that Shadowcat is one level below Xavier is weird. Okay, fine, she's got the tech knowledge, but not like THAT much. And considering she's on the same level as Emma...I highly doubt that. The Emma, Mystique, and Selene trio is nice, however.
I didn't really want to mention the nitpicky things cuz it makes ME look like a prick, 😛, but why not. And wannabe requested me to do so, too. So that's pretty much it.
Originally posted by wannabe
here is my revised psychics list: 😖P1 Magneto
P2 Caliban
P3 Typhoid Mary
P4-P5 Mentallo
P6-P7 Empath, Karma, Mirage
P8 Celeste, Mindee, Phoebe (each cuckoo alone)
P9 Psylocke, Mastermind, Marvel Girl (without phoenixboost)
P10 Emma, Selene, Cable (with virus), Celeste+Mindee+Phoebe
P11 Jean (without phoenixboost)
P12 Xavier, Shadowking, Moondragon (without mindgem)
P13 X-man, Cable (without virus), Marvel Girl (phoenixboost)
P14 Moondragon (mindgem)
P15 Franklin, Phoenixmy intelligence (not cunning) list: 😖mart:
I1 Wildchild, Caliban
I2 Toad, Pyro, Sabertooth, Beak
I3 Blob, Avalanche, Wolverine, Iceman, Marrow, Quicksilver
I4 Colossus, Arcangel, Cyclops, Havoc, Polaris, Sunspot
I5 Psylocke, Rogue, Cannonball, Gambit,
I6 Banshee, Karma, Marvel Girl
I7 Nightcrawler, Cable, X-man, Mirage
I8 Jean, Storm
I9 Cecilia Reyes, Bishop
I10 Shadowcat, Emma, Mystique, Selene
I11 Xavier, Magneto
I12 Beast, Sinister, Apocalypse, HighEvolutionary(basic)
I13 Doom, Forge, Sage
I14 Reed Richards
I15 HighEvolutionary (boosted)
Good list, but supposedly it's said on Earth, in pure inteligence, most inteligent are Apocalypse, Reed, Doom, or even Doom is little bellow this two (in pure natural intelligence).
Originally posted by munkiesarus
Hm. I didn't like Beak on I2. Sure, he's not equipped with the mind of a tactician or a honor student, but is he really as dumb as Toad?And as for Sabretooth on I2, that's far fetched. He should be pretty much on par with Wolverine...unless you're thinking in movieverse where his vocabulary is a bunch of grunts and growls and "Scream for me...huff..."s.
I'd like to know what you based your middle levels on. I mean, to me, honestly, no offence intended, it seems as if you just broke up the X-Men and placed them randomly on different levels.
a) Yes, i think Beak is as dumb as Toad (though i like him very much, i have to admit).
b) Sabertooth might be quite cunning sometimes, but i consider him an idiot and Cyclops has, apart from his tactical skills, really nothing to offer.
c) You got me pal...at least partially! 😂 I HAD to start somehow and the midlevels are the hardest. In listing the way i did, i thought i could provoke other argumentbased opinions to get a more representative list...guess it works! 😉
Originally posted by Xplosive
She has done that because she had special connection with Cyclops, not becasue of any calcualtion of power, otherwise she could never do that.
she stopped Apocalypse because she had a special connection with Cyclops? Yeah OK... 🙄
find where it says that in the comic. Even if you say she was able to throw him out with Cyke's help, she froze him before that (when he overcame Scott and finally emerged) and taunted him.
Originally posted by Xplosive
She has done that because she had special connection with Cyclops, not becasue of any calcualtion of power, otherwise she could never do that.
Scotts merge with Apocalypse severed their psi link, so the special connection was gone, she just refused to believe that Scott was dead, Apocalypse was the dominant mind and Jean froze him in his tracks the only thing he was able to do was threaten what he would do if only she would release her psychic hold.