Stop with the EU characters...

Originally posted by Wanderer259
I see he didn't argue against me. I guess it just helps maintain sanity to ignore the things that prove you wrong. Otherwise, all his talk about how EU doesn't affect discussion on movie plot points (which is true) is irrelevant. Because GL never said Palpy could destroy any of the EU chars nor Anakin (though they could).

I'm not arguing with Lucas. In fact, I'm merely agreeing with his own company's stance on the EU and that stance, unfortunately for you, is that [b]EU is officially canon unless contradicting the films, in which case the film's credibility takes precedence. If a writer says Anakin joined the Dark Side because he likes red lightsabers, he'd be wrong and his EU contribution would be non-canon. But the fact that someone as powerful as Darth Revan existed is indeed official canon. Hell, Lucas has gone so far as to select which ending "actually happened".

How's that for GL ignoring EU? [/B]

Sorry, that's not actually true- GL humself said that EU was a parallel universe to his own creation, not part of that creation, even if it does not contradict. He went on to say "I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

However, none of that is any reason to cast down threads which speculate for fun, as the threads referred to in the opening post do.

if i had created star wars i wouldn't be wasting the chance to get completely involved in EU, sure he's a busy man but with creative license he should be writing his 90th EU book now.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
now if you will all excuse me i will be going back to the SW movie sections, where the stories and plots are not completly useless..

have a nice day 🙂

Then why the hell did you come here and post this?

Sorry, that's not actually true- GL humself said that EU was a parallel universe to his own creation, not part of that creation, even if it does not contradict. He went on to say "I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

I'd venture to say that you're actually the one that's wrong. LucasFilm Ltd. has decreed that though EU is subordinate to movie canon, it is still valid and part of official continuity. There's no getting around that; LFL set it in stone.

There's four levels of canon as set by LFL's canon policy: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, and N-canon.

G-canon: movies, move novelizations, movie radio adaptations, visual dictionaries, making of's, DK Star Wars books, and cross sections are all absolute and take precedence over any contradictions.

C-canon: everything in EU currently (stats in the games are N-canon), superceded only be G-canon sources. The real trouble with contradictions are here, where C-canon sources start contradicting each other.

S-canon: "secondary canon"; story is non-continuity, but the non-contradictory parts still apply as canon. Star Wars Galaxies and the things that happen in it are considered S-canon.

N-canon: "non-canon"; the only thing not actually canon and this includes game stats, etc.

As for George Lucas and his staying away from this "parallel universe", I don't think the evidence backs it up, even if he did say it. Aayla Secura? Part of the movies and thus G-canon, but originally a completely EU creation (C-canon). The idea of 'Darth' being a title is an EU creation, but now it applies to Sidious and Maul as well. Darth Bane and the Rule of Two? Completely an EU creation, however, Yoda talks about both in TPM so Bane is now G-canon and indisputable. Timothy Zahn is the man that set Coruscant as the galactic capital and GL accepted it and made it G-canon. GL even used the EU to introduce Grievous and other characters. Hell, The Ewok Adventures was written by Lucas and it's considered part of the EU, so he's actually made some EU.

EU may not be as valid as the movies, and thus in arguments such as who owned the Falcon first, Solo or Lando, the book that says Solo did is incorrect and therefore that aspect is non-canon. Otherwise, EU is canon and part of the official continuity of Star Wars.

Rabid movie fans may not like it, but it's fact. It's also somewhat painful to know some of the bad books are canon because they don't contradict anything, so us EUers feel the pain, too.

Sorry, no, not true, you are incorrect. Steve Sansweet and George Lucas have spoken definitvely on this matter- and if Lucas said it, you CANNOT deny it; it overrides absolutely everything you say, including the gibberish above, which was an entriely EU effort to creat a continuity for itself, created by Lucas Licensing only for its licensed line, nothing to do with George Lucas at all, and NOT there to override GL's view of the seperation between EU and films, which, as I say, he has been clear on.

That is their policy and the policy of this board. GL says the EU is a parallel universe to his own- end of story. Respect that, thankyou.

All this talk doesn't change a damn thing....if someone wants to comparre Jar Jar with Exar Kun...he can do that and he can claim whatever he wants.....if its canon or n ot doesn't matter.....its both fiction and just because one part of the fiction was made by the original person and one by some random author doesn't change it....we saw in the comics what bane could do and we saw in movies and books an comics what sidious could do now we can compare them and decide for ourselves who we belive would win....

sorry Ushgarak, I ckecked a bunch of websites and Wanderer259 is right.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
ok, im sick of in the Vs. threads where people say that exar kun would rape sidious and maul and vader at the same time. you gotta be kidding me. these EU characters are just friggin stupid.

any characters that are CANNON! automatically win anything by default because they are cannon....

like i could write a book called the "vengeance of sidious" or something where sidious kills 500 jedi knights and on and on and on. that would then because EU, and then all that exar kun crap would be null and sidious would be the best. thats why EU characters are just dumb...

the writers go way overboard with these characters and then 'we' say that they would destroy any of the cannon characters. its just plain dumb.

exar kun vs. sidious?

sidious wins just because hes a cannon character....get that through ur heads. and if you cant do that then stop comparing EU characters to cannon characters. because its just too friggin dumb.

compare cannon characters to other cannon characters and compare EU to other EU, dont mix it up and try to argue that EU characters are better simply because 1 random author says they are...

Lucas is right 100% of the time and if he says that Anakin or Palpatine is the strongest then that overwrites any EU crap....live with it.

im done my rant now...

"There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe - the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

There's the quote you hold in such high esteem. The key phrase here is "my world, which is a select period of time". George Lucas doesn't care what happens outside of the time period between Episodes I and VI, but everything else is free range so long as he (LucasFilm, Ltd.) finds it acceptable.

EU is part of the official continuity of Star Wars. There is no way around it. There's just no EU capable of undermining the movies.

I'm also glad to know you ignored the fact that GL used a lot of EU in his movies, which shows he does indeed pay attention to it.

That doesn't make a blind bit of difference! He is free to use EU influences if he wants, as much as he is free to use influences from any fiction out there, as he always does.

Ok, let me make this clear. This is NOT a debate. George Lucas, and Steve Sansweet, whose very job is dealing with fans, have both made it perfectly, totally, 100% clear that as far as GL is concerned, ONLY THE FILMS are canon, with quotes like:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films,"

And this about Boba Fett, confirming about how these things are in SEPERATE continuities- when asked if Fett died in the pit:

"Yes, in George's view -- as far as the films go -- the baddest bounty hunter in the Galaxy met his match in the Great Pit of Carkoon where --unfortunately for Mr. Fett -- the ghastly sarlacc made its home.

However, Lucas also approved Fett's comeback in the expanded universe."

Get it? In the Expanded Universe he is alive after that, but in the REAL SW Universe, the one that Lucas created, he died there. They are different. You cannot have it that Fett is alive in the books but dead in the films and pretend they are in the same continuity.

And finally George Lucas' own quote saying that the EU is different world to his- a parallel universe that is NOT his own.

Now, if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore these facts, feel free. However, on this board, we listen to sense and fact, not merely supposition and irrelevancies.

That is the end of the matter. In all threads, that is the policy that shall be followed. No more argument on this tiresome subject, or I close. Or policy is clearly stated in threads in this area and anyone not wishing to follow the policy of this board is not welcome here.

That is that.

I don't think it's as clear cut as you may believe, but I'll respectfully lay down the sword for this fight; it's not worth it to cause any bad blood.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That doesn't make a blind bit of difference! He is free to use EU influences if he wants, as much as he is free to use influences from any fiction out there, as he always does.

Ok, let me make this clear. This is NOT a debate. George Lucas, and Steve Sansweet, whose very job is dealing with fans, have both made it perfectly, totally, 100% clear that as far as GL is concerned, ONLY THE FILMS are canon, with quotes like:

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films,"

And this about Boba Fett, confirming about how these things are in SEPERATE continuities- when asked if Fett died in the pit:

"Yes, in George's view -- as far as the films go -- the baddest bounty hunter in the Galaxy met his match in the Great Pit of Carkoon where --unfortunately for Mr. Fett -- the ghastly sarlacc made its home.

However, Lucas also approved Fett's comeback in the [b]expanded universe."

Get it? In the Expanded Universe he is alive after that, but in the REAL SW Universe, the one that Lucas created, he died there. They are different. You cannot have it that Fett is alive in the books but dead in the films and pretend they are in the same continuity.

And finally George Lucas' own quote saying that the EU is different world to his- a parallel universe that is NOT his own.

Now, if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore these facts, feel free. However, on this board, we listen to sense and fact, not merely supposition and irrelevancies.

That is the end of the matter. In all threads, that is the policy that shall be followed. No more argument on this tiresome subject, or I close. Or policy is clearly stated in threads in this area and anyone not wishing to follow the policy of this board is not welcome here.

That is that. [/B]

Sure, that's true but the original subject is talking about the character battles in which Anomally thinks anyone in the movies beats anyone in the non-movies. And since George Lucas rarely says who anyone is stronger than (except for that 9 levels of combat thing) there is really nothing wrong with saying that Exar Kun could defeat Sidious or whatever.

I didn't say there was.

Hmm. Wanderer259 is the first EU-supporter to trully back up his convictions.
Bravo. 😉

wow, I had no idea that there were so much more material I'd never seen before I really need to catch up, & btw Revan would wipe his ass with palatine. (palpatine with all his power couldn't even convert a little *** like luke to the darkside) fu#$in bantha poodoo if you ask me.

thats true . . . even though i thought Revan would win, Palpatine couldn't even convert Luke . . .

My mind is now in perspective.

Yes because being able to convert a lot of Jedi makes you all powerful 🙄

Seriously I believe Revan would own Palps, and converting Jedi is an achievement but it hardly means he is more powerful then anybody else that didn't do that

Point taken but Revan could flick Luke to his side instantly, that isnt deabtable tho.

hmmmmm, this anomaly dude has an irrational hatred for EU......he's Supershadow!!!! And just what sort of idiot whines about the EU in the EU forum???? If you don't like it, ignore it, just as I will with all of anomaly's future posts

Although I totally don't agree with how the original poster said it, I have to agree to some extend of what he is saying. I too believe that the movies will superscede any EU story lines. GL, the creator of Star wars, certainly has the final say on who is and who isn't the strongest. I think the EU is fun to compare, to read about, and to think about, but certainly the movies hold the highest importance because they are made by the creator of the very concept of Star wars.

I agree with Ush completely. Whatever GL says to be right, IS RIGHT period. GL doesn't dismiss EU, but he has made clear that the movies are of the highest importance and validity.

Any of the Jedi's or Siths that are in the movies considered to be of the strongest ever, such as Yoda, Anakin, Palpy, maybe Mace, and even Obi wan, MUST be respected as that. You can't come in and say that it would take all of them just to take on Exar kun or Reven or something like that. It has been stated by the creator of Star wars that the movie characters are of the strongest ever. I'm sorry if you don't agree with him, but the fact remains, GL is right when it comes to star wars. Palpy is as strong as any Sith ever, and Yoda is as strong as any Jedi ever. Anakin had the potential to be the strongest ever, but fell short. GL said it, so it must be true.