Stop with the EU characters...

You have a point, but (irrespective of what GL says) those characters arent called the strongest ever.

On a geekier note, there are bigger fish out there like Revan and Exar Kun, but the will of the force determines what happens in the film.
Anakin is the chosen one, as the prophecy says, and the unifying Force does all it can to make it happen.

These characters arent the strongest ever, there just lucky and take a lot of killing to fufill the prophecy.

Finally, I'm really starting to dislike GL. True, he created Star Wars and he's a pretty good director but he dismisses the efforts of talented writers that have filled in his gaps and many, many plotholes.

It must be frustrating for a SW writer etc. to gain recognition for strong characters (Thrawn) and then for Lucas to say it doesnt happen!

Originally posted by Vanquish
Although I totally don't agree with how the original poster said it, I have to agree to some extend of what he is saying. I too believe that the movies will superscede any EU story lines. GL, the creator of Star wars, certainly has the final say on who is and who isn't the strongest. I think the EU is fun to compare, to read about, and to think about, but certainly the movies hold the highest importance because they are made by the creator of the very concept of Star wars.

I agree with Ush completely. Whatever GL says to be right, IS RIGHT period. GL doesn't dismiss EU, but he has made clear that the movies are of the highest importance and validity.

Any of the Jedi's or Siths that are in the movies considered to be of the strongest ever, such as Yoda, Anakin, Palpy, maybe Mace, and even Obi wan, MUST be respected as that. You can't come in and say that it would take all of them just to take on Exar kun or Reven or something like that. It has been stated by the creator of Star wars that the movie characters are of the strongest ever. I'm sorry if you don't agree with him, but the fact remains, GL is right when it comes to star wars. Palpy is as strong as any Sith ever, and Yoda is as strong as any Jedi ever. Anakin had the potential to be the strongest ever, but fell short. GL said it, so it must be true.

GL never ever said they are the strongest, strongest of their time... Really powerful possibly the strongest, never strongest of all times. He has never claimed that the movie chars can beat all others... Never

I too believe that the movies will superscede any EU story lines.

No one ever said they didn't.

You have a point, but (irrespective of what GL says) those characters arent called the strongest ever.

No one said they were, but we think they might be. Isn't that the point of this board?

Finally, I'm really starting to dislike GL. True, he created Star Wars and he's a pretty good director but he dismisses the efforts of talented writers that have filled in his gaps and many, many plotholes.

Whoah now, hate on GL for mistakes he made in the movies, not the EU. He never dismissed it; he only said he really doesn't mind it. To paraphrase George, he said that Star Wars can and has gone on without him and that doesn't sound like GL hating on the EU to me.

Although I totally don't agree with how the original poster said it, I have to agree to some extend of what he is saying. I too believe that the movies will superscede any EU story lines. GL, the creator of Star wars, certainly has the final say on who is and who isn't the strongest. I think the EU is fun to compare, to read about, and to think about, but certainly the movies hold the highest importance because they are made by the creator of the very concept of Star wars.

I agree with Ush completely. Whatever GL says to be right, IS RIGHT period. GL doesn't dismiss EU, but he has made clear that the movies are of the highest importance and validity.

Any of the Jedi's or Siths that are in the movies considered to be of the strongest ever, such as Yoda, Anakin, Palpy, maybe Mace, and even Obi wan, MUST be respected as that. You can't come in and say that it would take all of them just to take on Exar kun or Reven or something like that. It has been stated by the creator of Star wars that the movie characters are of the strongest ever. I'm sorry if you don't agree with him, but the fact remains, GL is right when it comes to star wars. Palpy is as strong as any Sith ever, and Yoda is as strong as any Jedi ever. Anakin had the potential to be the strongest ever, but fell short. GL said it, so it must be true.

thank you, this is exactly what i was saying in the first place.

Vanquish, when did GL ever say the movie characters were the strongest?

I think the EU characters are best to flesh out the cannon character traits. I have seen Luke Skywalker grow into an amazing Jedi, not only with the Force, but as a person as well. And the best thing that has happened to him is his marriage to Mara Jade. I thought Luke would never meet anyone he would settle down with. There was one character, a ghost on an abandoned Imperial ship that he showed care for, but nothing beats his love for Mara Jade. As for character vs. character, it's hard to say who would win in a fight because it all depends on the situation, environmental factors and the mind/body relation of the people fighting.

GL's concern is the movies. His interest in the EU is interest say, Spielberg has in a Jurassic Park book or bideo game. It's a nice addition to what he's building, and he won't dismiss it because of the money potential and that it stirs up a fanbase... but at the same time, he doesn't think outside the box that is his movies.

And I think a lot of people just have the hardest damn time believing that anyone could defeat the precious movie characters just because we get to see them in living color. It's easy to love a child or adult, but a fetus who hasn't been seen yet and whose personality is almost nonexistant is harder to love, no?

The fact remains that EU is here to stay. GL's word may be gospel for some, but for those of us who like to use our brains and speculate or imagine, for those of us who want more than just to be spectators in GL's SW universe, we prefer something more rational. To each his own... just don't sink to cramming things down each other's throats. This is for discussion, not mindless echoing of another's words.

Besides GL never said Luke would be the stongest ever... He never even says Anakin has the highest midithingie count ever... Just a really high one and higher then everybody at that time... Nothing more

Midichlorians and you're right about that one Janus.

I never said " they are the strongest ever " like so many of you are saying. Read my post. I clearly said " OF the strongest ever " That means that I agree that possibly Exar Kun, or Reven or something might be stronger, but it certainly doens't mean that they could b1tch slap them.

GL has made clear that Yoda is of the strongest Jedi ever and Palpy is of the strongest Sith ever. He doesn't say they ARE the strongest, but he clearly feels they are about as good as it gets.

That in my mind means that although Reven or Kun could possibly beat them one on one, it certainly would be a very close battle. And I don't care how many Vong Luke can Kill in the NJO, I think GL makes it clear that Yoda is damn strong, and that would probably be a good fight.

That's all I meant by that. Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't agree with anomoly saying they ARE the strongest because they are in the movie. I just said they are OF the strongest, because Lucas says they are.

I just prefer people to say there the strongest in the movies.

Saying that I don't trust most of the crap Lucas comes out with.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
ok, im sick of in the Vs. threads where people say that exar kun would rape sidious and maul and vader at the same time. you gotta be kidding me. these EU characters are just friggin stupid.

any characters that are CANNON! automatically win anything by default because they are cannon....

like i could write a book called the "vengeance of sidious" or something where sidious kills 500 jedi knights and on and on and on. that would then because EU, and then all that exar kun crap would be null and sidious would be the best. thats why EU characters are just dumb...

the writers go way overboard with these characters and then 'we' say that they would destroy any of the cannon characters. its just plain dumb.

exar kun vs. sidious?

sidious wins just because hes a cannon character....get that through ur heads. and if you cant do that then stop comparing EU characters to cannon characters. because its just too friggin dumb.

compare cannon characters to other cannon characters and compare EU to other EU, dont mix it up and try to argue that EU characters are better simply because 1 random author says they are...

Lucas is right 100% of the time and if he says that Anakin or Palpatine is the strongest then that overwrites any EU crap....live with it.

im done my rant now...

Proof of his stupidity!!!

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
ok, im sick of in the Vs. threads where people say that exar kun would rape sidious and maul and vader at the same time. you gotta be kidding me. these EU characters are just friggin stupid.

any characters that are CANNON! automatically win anything by default because they are cannon....

like i could write a book called the "vengeance of sidious" or something where sidious kills 500 jedi knights and on and on and on. that would then because EU, and then all that exar kun crap would be null and sidious would be the best. thats why EU characters are just dumb...

the writers go way overboard with these characters and then 'we' say that they would destroy any of the cannon characters. its just plain dumb.

exar kun vs. sidious?

sidious wins just because hes a cannon character....get that through ur heads. and if you cant do that then stop comparing EU characters to cannon characters. because its just too friggin dumb.

compare cannon characters to other cannon characters and compare EU to other EU, dont mix it up and try to argue that EU characters are better simply because 1 random author says they are...

Lucas is right 100% of the time and if he says that Anakin or Palpatine is the strongest then that overwrites any EU crap....live with it.

im done my rant now...

You's a b!tch! And yer wastin' yer time, nigga! Aint nothing wrong versing EU against movie characters. Like someone said earlier--"So, your saying C-3PO could kill Exar Kun.?"<------Is that what your sayin? That's dumbshit!

Well, if EU wouldnt exist, Star Wars would've been boring long ago, it would be like ''Ive seen the movies, been there'', EU makes the games, comics, and fanfilms too. Just think about the mini clone wars series, most enjoyable!

Interesting topic, currently I'm investigating the problem and i'm writing an article about this in my own web-site.
I agree partly with the idea. For me, the characters from the movies are strongest. If Lucas said that they are, I don't think that any other sources matter. That's why I always vote for Palpatine and Vader and not only because I find some of the EU characters cheap.
For me the root of the problem is that some EU authors does not hold enough respect for Lucas and his creation. Let's create a character who blows stars they say, and he'll be greater than the Lucas characters. For me, he won't be. He'll just be overestimated character with powers, which contradict to Lucas, who said that Anakin is the strongest. Ever.
BTW, there are rumors that there will be a movie about the ancient wars between Sith and Jedi (it was said in theforce.net). I hope so. It'll clean the matter. BTW, I bet that GL won't use any EU characters in it.
On the other hand, I am not against EU. I have entertained myself with it. I love some of the stories. But I just hope that the EU authors can stay more faithful to the original story. For example, Timothy Zahn did a very good job. Thrawn was a great villain and he didn't crush any stars. Zahn'series are an example of great job in EU.
Jude Watson also did a good job with her EU books. And again she had a great baddie, Xanatos, who was really dangerous without being Superman Prime.
The NJO series had some strong moments too, from what I've read. But some things... crushing suns is very cheap.
So that's my opinion - EU is fun and cool, but it is not on the same league as the movies, it can not be and never will be.

Good job Wanderer259, I have been fighting for EU along time, most of the mods, i will not mention names have a one sided opinion, and you cant change that, but if you ask me Canon is all opinion, and s up to you as an individual.

EU has no place in the saga forum. the forums are dedicated to canon, written by GL. deal with it 😬 or you can just endlessly cry because you have no life and no sense of prioity. if you are on the frontlines of this battle you most likely:

-have no friends (real life friends, not the fellow crybabies you find online)

-will never get laid without paying money for it.

-live in your mom's basement indefinately

-hate your life

truth sucks doesnt it? sorry to be the messenger 😂

Originally posted by PVS
EU has no place in the saga forum. the forums are dedicated to canon, written by GL. deal with it 😬 or you can just endlessly cry because you have no life and no sense of prioity.

See? He's got the idea. EU doesn't belong in the Saga forums, only here.

Well duh, EU doesn't belong in the movie forums themselves, but why the hell do you movie loving purists come to the EU and literature sections and raise hell?

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Well duh, EU doesn't belong in the movie forums themselves, but why the hell do you movie loving purists come to the EU and literature sections and raise hell?

im not one of them 😬

and yes, it might be a subject worthy of a big fat "DUH!" to you and me, but there are those who constantly spam the saga forum with EU, and destroy discussions with EU spam and endless crying because they dont like forum rules. i think that is the cause of this anti-EU nonesense.

as for my post here, im just baiting a certain whiney baby who's been harassing people at the saga forums. someone whom all this means way too much to 😂 so dont mind me.

and anyone who would invade the EU section should also really prioritise.
i understand the frustration of having discussions ruined by EU, but as long as they stay on their side of the fence with it, who frikin cares? cant people enjoy things that you may think "suck"?

but as for this thread, i smell 100% bait, and you all took it hook, line, and sinker. just step back and ask yourselves "does it really matter?"