Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thor can hold his own against Surfer and has even defeated him.CM is a good match for Norrin. No doubt.
CM takes on the Spectre in Day Of Vengence and holds how own. That should speak for itself.
Spectre is above Surfer IMO.
Thor has had Surfer on the ropes, but I don't recall him ever KOing him. I think he defeated Surfer in his uber-Madness form. I don't think CM could beat Madness Thor either.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You sure? Surfer is a very powerful telepath.Savage Hulk is never around 60-70 tons. Even in a calm state, he can lift unimaginable weights. In a matter of moments Hulk could be in the billion ton lifting range. Hulk was certainly way past 100 tons if he broke Surfer's force field. His force field contains black holes.
Positive. CM resisted Mister Minds tyelepathy, even in a weakend condition. However, in the recent Black Reign arc in JSA, Mr. Mind and Brainwave together were able to exert very limited control (long enought to make him say Shazam).
Surfer a powerful telepath? Says who? Since when?
Savage Hulk in calm state is never 100 cl. Past fights with him against Thing, Thor, Namor, always has them getting the better of Hulk before he actually gets stronger and surpassing them. Thing and Namor were the only ones at the time who were officially NOT 100 cl, and has held their own until Hulk got stronger(100 cl) and defeated them(except Namor 🙂) Savage Hulk never starts at 100 cl.
First off, when Surfer first tried to contain Hulk is wasnt even savage Hulk, it was Grey. Also, he was getting the help of Dr. Strange, so Surfer wasnt even doing it alone and he wasnt even using full power, but yet he was drained.
when they reverted grey Hulk back to Savage, Surfer shot ONE blast then tried to hold his arm along with Namor.
Afterwards, Surfer was drained. From what? not even using his full power plus getting the help of Dr. Strange and Namor. No excuses there Cosmic. None at all. Just admit it was a bad dispay of Surfers durability, and he cant last a slong as CM.
Originally posted by DizzleFighting the Spectre is impressive in any event and you cannot deny that.
Not actual human blood... I think light came out of his side when they stabbed him. And Spectre would have been going against the Presence when he fought CM. Spectre is WEAK when defying the Presence. With the Presence backing him, CM would be blinked from existance. Don't bring that up.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Not actual human blood... I think light came out of his side when they stabbed him. And Spectre would have been going against the Presence when he fought CM. Spectre is WEAK when defying the Presence. With the Presence backing him, CM would be blinked from existance. Don't bring that up.
CM would never be blinkedf from existance. The Gods wouldnt allow it. thats a pretty naieve statement.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Here is Surfers superhuman speed without his board once again.LMAO 😆
😆 i have seen Flash get hit by humans , Superman get's hit by people all the time ( who don't have speed what so ever)
lol nice try tho , people never said SS doesn’t get hit
Originally posted by leonidas
and somewhere in the thread, someone was mentioning ss being stabbed. i think it was an annual - defenders or strange. it was in a x-over where that demon was summoned. damn, can't recall all the details, but ss WAS stabbed, and seriously wounded by a simple magic dagger. he was shocked to see his own blood.
Defenders Vol.2 #16. Stabbed with a magical dagger and bled light thus creating a female version of him.(Sorta)
Originally posted by jrodslam
Positive. CM resisted Mister Minds tyelepathy, even in a weakend condition. However, in the recent Black Reign arc in JSA, Mr. Mind and Brainwave together were able to exert very limited control (long enought to make him say Shazam).Surfer a powerful telepath? Says who? Since when?
Savage Hulk in calm state is never 100 cl. Past fights with him against Thing, Thor, Namor, always has them getting the better of Hulk before he actually gets stronger and surpassing them. Thing and Namor were the only ones at the time who were officially NOT 100 cl, and has held their own until Hulk got stronger(100 cl) and defeated them(except Namor 🙂) Savage Hulk never starts at 100 cl.
First off, when Surfer first tried to contain Hulk is wasnt even savage Hulk, it was Grey. Also, he was getting the help of Dr. Strange, so Surfer wasnt even doing it alone and he wasnt even using full power, but yet he was drained.
when they reverted grey Hulk back to Savage, Surfer shot ONE blast then tried to hold his arm along with Namor.
Afterwards, Surfer was drained. From what? not even using his full power plus getting the help of Dr. Strange and Namor. No excuses there Cosmic. None at all. Just admit it was a bad dispay of Surfers durability, and he cant last a slong as CM.
Surfer was able to control the minds of everyone on the Earth. He's a very high level telepath.
I know quite a bit about Hulk. Hulk is capable of lifting far more than 100 tons, even while calm. Hulk fights Thing and Namor, but both realize that he is far stronger than they are. Thing resorts to tricking Hulk, and Namor uses strategy, not brute strength. Consider some of a calm Savage Hulk's feats. You will see that he is far cbove class 100.
It was a bad showing of Surfer's endurance, not durability. There is a difference.
Originally posted by kgkgkgkg you like beating a dead horse dont you?
LMAO ya that proves he can't move faster than light?😆 i have seen Flash get hit by humans , Superman get's hit by people all the time ( who don't have speed what so ever)
lol nice try tho , people never said SS doesn’t get hit
All I was trying to prove by those scans is that off his board Surfer has no superhuman speed.
Im done dealing with that now so just get over it or whatever you want to do.
Originally posted by Dizzle
The Gods nothing. If the Presence sends Spectre to destroy Captain Marvel, he's getting his ass blinked. What is Zeus to the Presence?
well depending on what you believe in in the DC world, They are all Gods.
Dying in combat due to physical punishment is one thing, but being blinked is totaly unecceptable, and Shazam wouldnt allow it. He's intervene.
Originally posted by jrodslam
well depending on what you believe in in the DC world, They are all Gods.Dying in combat due to physical punishment is one thing, but being blinked is totaly unecceptable, and Shazam wouldnt allow it. He's intervene.
He can't intervene if the Presence wills it. That's crazy.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer was able to control the minds of everyone on the Earth. He's a very high level telepath.I know quite a bit about Hulk. Hulk is capable of lifting far more than 100 tons, even while calm. Hulk fights Thing and Namor, but both realize that he is far stronger than they are. Thing resorts to tricking Hulk, and Namor uses strategy, not brute strength. Consider some of a calm Savage Hulk's feats. You will see that he is far cbove class 100.
It was a bad showing of Surfer's endurance, not durability. There is a difference.
When NAmor knocked out Hulk the 2nd time, it was due to physical force not by brains.
Endurance yes And durability in getting stabbed by the magical dagger.
Surfer not having endurance shouldnt affect his durability no? Thats just my point. The 2 are different. It seems as if when he looses his endurance , he also looses his durability.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
kgkg you like beating a dead horse dont you?All I was trying to prove by those scans is that off his board Surfer has no superhuman speed.
Im done dealing with that now so just get over it or whatever you want to do.
But he can get his board it's controlled mentally you know that don't you
Originally posted by jrodslam
well depending on what you believe in in the DC world, They are all Gods.Dying in combat due to physical punishment is one thing, but being blinked is totaly unecceptable, and Shazam wouldnt allow it. He's intervene.
The Presence... Meaning the guy who bosses around EVERYONE. You're saying Shazam can stand up to GOD. Zeus and the like are gods, small G. The Presence is God, big G. Meaning true omnipotence. His word is law, period.
Spectre w/ backing from Presence vs. Captain Marvel= CM blinked from existance, so that he has never existed. Don't even know why I have o argue this... Or leo's trying to piss everyone off. It's entirely possible.