Shazam vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He can't intervene if the Presence wills it. That's crazy.

Who is the Presence in the DCU? GOD right?

Christians, Greeks, Romans all have different GODS. Whos to say who's GOD is Higher than the other.

Originally posted by kgkg
Ohhh ok am sorry.

But he can get his board it's controlled mentally you know that don't you

Believe it or not. Its true.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Volume 2 #16? 🤨

Yes. In the Order series. Order#4. aka Defender Vol.2 #16. Same thing.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who is the Presence in the DCU? GOD right?

Christians, Greeks, Romans all have different GODS. Whos to say who's GOD is Higher than the other.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The Presence... Meaning the guy who bosses around EVERYONE. You're saying Shazam can stand up to GOD. Zeus and the like are gods, small G. The Presence is God, big G. Meaning true omnipotence. His word is law, period.

Spectre w/ backing from Presence vs. Captain Marvel= CM blinked from existance, so that he has never existed. Don't even know why I have o argue this... Or leo's trying to piss everyone off. It's entirely possible.

So what youre saying is that Zeus answered to GOD? No sir. Zeus answered to no-one.

He created the guys who created the Multiverse. Presence>Lucifer n Michael. Thor's technically a god, he still gets beat up plenty. "Gods" in comics are not all necessarily omnipotent. And yes. Zeus better answer to God. Or else.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who is the Presence in the DCU? GOD right?

Christians, Greeks, Romans all have different GODS. Whos to say who's GOD is Higher than the other.

Greek , roman etc were all created by the creator

like
TOAA - Created all universe , Eternity gave life to all , Then came Elder gods , then Skyfather ( Greek etc) - then gods like Thor , Loki etc.

are all just called God because people worships them

Guys I dont think we should bring religion into a debate.

Greek, Roman Gods were all created? Thats the first time ive ever heard that.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Greek, Roman Gods were all created? Thats the first time ive ever heard that.

The source, TOAA , Phoenix Force all part of creation in some ways

That includes all these so called demi gods.

Originally posted by kgkg
In comics of course

The source, TOAA , Phoenix Force all part of creation in some ways

That includes all these so called demi gods.

No no no kgkg, I know that. Im talking about Greek Gods, Olympian Gods. Those werent made up by comics.

Spectre calls all other Gods False Gods. He tells Black Adam "Its GOD's Wrath."
Black Adam then says " Not my GOD."

Ahh well. Either way, I doubt the GOD's that CM or Shazam worships for that matter would allow CM to be blinked from exsistance. Maybe Billy, but not CM. Thats just my opinion.

Guess we'll see how things go in DOV and JSA.

Ok, put it this way. Together Lucifer and Michael created everything in DC. Everything. Lucifer is beyond space and time, he is powerful to the point that he cannot die, because he is beyond death. Once Zeus comes up with that kind of power, I'll conceed the Presence thing. Spectre's power constantly varies, sometimes he's godly, other times he gets beat up by normal humans. He's not a good gauge for anyone unless you can prove how powerful he is at a given time.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Lucifer is beyond space and time, he is powerful to the point that he cannot die, because he is beyond death. Once Zeus comes up with that kind of power, I'll conceed the Presence thing.

Uhhh who can kill Zeus? How can someone kill Zeus? All im saying is that ive never heard for Zeus being second only to "THE GOD" or "Creater"

Different beliefs and religions. This is getting a bit off topic now.

Yup. But you're right, Zeus isn't second. He's waaaaaaaaay the hell farther down than 2nd. And yes, this is off topic. Go Silver Surfer.

I still say tie.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I still say tie.

SS outclasses CM in almost all categories

Speed, power etc

WW vs SS a tie? NO.

Why bring up speed? We dont even know for sure Surfer is faster than CM. CM moves faster than light as well. Dont assume things. I hate assumptions.

Outclassed in power? How so? Some of the powers wouldnt even work on CM. Wheres your logic?

Originally posted by jrodslam
WW vs SS a tie? NO.

Why bring up speed? We dont even know for sure Surfer is faster than CM. CM moves faster than light as well. Dont assume things. I hate assumptions.

Outclassed in power? How so? Some of the powers wouldnt even work on CM. Wheres your logic?

Assuming? what has CM done

He has trouble with WW ask Draco he will tell you