Shazam vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by jrodslam
❌ Do you own the comic?

In issue #2(which is the first scan showed) they were stalemated. Enchantress wasnt boosting Cap yet.

You see her start the boost on the very last page of issue#2(In which they were stalemated).

The next 3 scans shown were from issue#3. At that time Enchantress is just starting to boost and Spectre is dominating Cap.

A few pages into boosting, Blue Devil asks her if she can get power from others. She said she can try. Once she started getting power from other magical beings Cap owned Spectre, until Enchantress went crazy.

Once again only the FIRST scan is Cap under his own power. They were stalemated. The other 3 scans are while Cap is being boosted. The boost just only allowed Cap to stay alive. It didnt boost him like he was pages later.

Here' what I see:

The first scan here, we see them exchange a few blows, which is nice, but not enough to really call it a stalemate, especially since Spectre seems to get the better of Marvel.
http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3ae63_dayofv1.jpg

Here, Spectre just simply blasts Marvel without a second though or any sign of strain on his part...
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=89068_dayofv2.jpg

...he then proceeds to backhand Marvel like he owed him money, leaving Marvel reduced to a bloody mess and Spectre hardly suffering any damage whatsoever.
http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=2eb10_dayofv3.jpg

Marvel proceeds to attack furiously while Spectre just stands there calmly and lets him do so. It also appears here is where the boost begins to take place as Enchantress begins to concentrate.
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=6bba1_dayofv4.jpg

Either way you look at it, Marvel certainly didn't stalemate him under his own power.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's one tactic that won't work for Norrin. If he can take wacked out Spectres blasts he can take Norrins.

Originally posted by Milkie
SILVER SURFER IS NOT GOING TO MANIPULATE MAGIC.

NEVER SEEN SURFER USE TIME TRAVEL IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE.

BILLY IS NOT GOING TO STAND THERE WHILE BEING BLASTED.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think Cap can be effected via matter manipulation either. I dont think the Gods would allow it. Secondly, Surfer cant changes Caps lightning. Its magical in property and that > Surfers cosmic powers/blasts.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Fighting at superspeed and flying fast are not the same.

Superman does both. Does Norrin?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He's shown travel speed, not battle speed. I don't think SS is as fast as people make him out to be. He enters hyperspace after hitting light speed. His light speed precision example wasn't a good one as he missed snatching the IG of Thanos hand.

Lobo flies nakedly through space on his hog at light speeds easily. I'm not going to claim that he fights at light speed however.

Surfer doesn't have ANY good speed feats as far as combat is concerned, that much is true. he has never shown to punch, dodge, parry, kick, or whatever at high speeds. However, he doesn't need to rely on fisticuffs as long as he has the versatility of the Power Cosmic. He could just utilize his speed to keep a distance from Marvel and then try something like drop a black hole on him (like he did easily in Annihilation).

Originally posted by Accel
My answer to both of these is the same:

Surfer doesn't have ANY good speed feats as far as combat is concerned, that much is true. he has never shown to punch, dodge, parry, kick, or whatever at high speeds. However, he doesn't need to rely on fisticuffs as long as he has the versatility of the Power Cosmic. He could just utilize his speed to keep a distance from Marvel and then try something like drop a black hole on him (like he did easily in Annihilation).

Depends on where they are fighting. If its on earth. You can forget the whole black hole thing.

Surfer helps odin revive Bill then recreates Stormbreaker.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-05.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-06.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-07.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Accel can get the scans of when Surfer timetravels during battle against Durok.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Depends on where they are fighting. If its on earth. You can forget the whole black hole thing.

The Stormbreaker is not even magic

Originally posted by Accel
Nope, sorry I don't own the comic, which is why I had to use dvamp's scans.

Here' what I see:

The first scan here, we see them exchange a few blows, which is nice, but not enough to really call it a stalemate, especially since Spectre seems to get the better of Marvel.
http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3ae63_dayofv1.jpg

This is the only scan that Cap is fighting under his own power. All hits are even. Are you saying this doesnt look like a stalemate? Is it because Spectre hit Cap into a bus the reason you say Spectre was getting the better?

Originally posted by Accel
Here, Spectre just simply blasts Marvel without a second though or any sign of strain on his part...
http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=89068_dayofv2.jpg

...he then proceeds to backhand Marvel like he owed him money, leaving Marvel reduced to a bloody mess and Spectre hardly suffering any damage whatsoever.
http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=2eb10_dayofv3.jpg

Marvel proceeds to attack furiously while Spectre just stands there calmly and lets him do so. It also appears here is where the boost begins to take place as Enchantress begins to concentrate.
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=6bba1_dayofv4.jpg

Either way you look at it, Marvel certainly didn't stalemate him under his own power.

All above isissue #3. All in which Enchantress is ALREADY giving Cap her energy just so he can stay alive. Not to boost him much.

Originally posted by Milkie
The Stormbreaker is not even magic

Originally posted by Skeets
Accel can get the scans of when Surfer timetravels during battle against Durok.

Yup

Originally posted by jrodslam
This is the only scan that Cap is fighting under his own power. All hits are even. Are you saying this doesnt look like a stalemate? Is it because Spectre hit Cap into a bus the reason you say Spectre was getting the better?

Originally posted by jrodslam
All above isissue #3. All in which Enchantress is ALREADY giving Cap her energy just so he can stay alive. Not to boost him much.

Billy is not going to sit there on surfers board and let Surfer take him to a different time. Billy is WAY stronger then Durok. He'd knock Surfer on his ass and break his board.

Originally posted by Milkie
Billy is not going to sit there on surfers board and let Surfer take him to a different time. Billy is WAY stronger then Durok. He'd knock Surfer on his ass and break his board.

Seriously the only argument one here is that Marvel so-called "stalemated"Spectre before he got the boost...😂

Originally posted by Skeets
Durok broke the board so much for that..... 😉
And he was grappling with Surfer then he was holding on for his life as Surfer was time traveling.

Seriously the only argument one here is that Marvel so-called "stalemated"Spectre before he got the boost...😂

Billy can fly and he's stronger then Surfer there will be no grappling going on. Anybody smart enough would know Surfer gets his speed from his board. They are going to be like WTF is he doing on a flying board? Their first task will be putting him on his ass.

Originally posted by Milkie
Billy can fly and he's stronger then Surfer there will be no grappling going on. Anybody smart enough would know Surfer gets his speed from his board. They are going to be like WTF is he doing on a flying board? Their first task will be putting him on his ass.

That's easier said then done.Marvel's a poor mans superman nothing more.The strength issue is nothing for someone who's as durable as Surfer.If Surfer wanted to Marvel would never get in striking distance.

Surfer wins this 8/10 he's too powerful

Originally posted by Accel
That's really all I can go on. They exchange a few blows, but Marvel comes out looking MUCH worse than Spectre, especially later on in the fight.

Marvel comes out looking much worse than Spectre? How so? Before the boost, they BOTH were scarred/bruised. Oh and Caps sleeve was torn.

Originally posted by Accel
Although the ass-kicking boosted Marvel gave Spectre was cool, I'm just arguing that before the boost, it didn't appear to be stalemate. If Cap was being boosted during those last three scans that I posted (the ones where Spectre especially gets the better of him), then I'm inclined even moreso to believe that Cap could not stalemate Spectre under his own power. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense for 'Normal' Cap to do better than 'Boosted' Cap.

When Enchantress first started boosting, she was only using HER energy. In those last 3 scans you posted, Cap wasnt getting much of a power boost. She was giving him only enough to stay alive. Not till the middle of issue #3 did Enchantress start using other characters energy.

Also in the first scan, Cap was fresh when fighting Spectre. Thats why he was doing better. You have to remember that Spectre was draining Cap as well. Thats why Cap was stalemating him in the first scan in which he was under his own power. In the last 3 scans Cap looked so busted cause Spectre was drainig him after a drawn out battle and Enchantress juuust stared with the energy help. Only in which Cap and Enchantress's energy was being used. When Cap recieved the BOOST, it wes from all magical beings.

that was one of the most horrible stalemates ever.

Originally posted by Skeets
That's easier said then done.Marvel's a poor mans superman nothing more.The strength issue is nothing for someone who's as durable as Surfer.If Surfer wanted to Marvel would never get in striking distance.

Surfer wins this 8/10 he's too powerful

No Striking Distance = No Time Travel

How is surfer going to get a hold of Billy?

You saw what Happen Between Thanos, Captain America and Surfer.

Originally posted by bigbran
that was one of the most horrible stalemates ever.

Because only 4 blows were exchanged prior to Captain Marvel getting help.