Shazam vs Silver Surfer

Started by Milkie40 pages

Originally posted by jrodslam
I knew that, but i was talking about the more obvious such as heat vision and ice breath.

They also have Super speed too.

I know they have speed and strength and all that good stuff. I'm basically talking about their other lesser known powers.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Storms lightining hurting Norrin brings back memories from last year.

Remember those days Avalon?

The good old days... surely haven't forgotten them. How time flies, eh snoop?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Off topic: Love your sig Ava. Cant wait till next few issues. Im beasting.

That makes 2 of us bro. I've been waiting for these since I saw the pic of borg a few months ago!

Originally posted by jrodslam
Only the first scan is from issue #2. The boost hasnt started yet. Only on the ver last page going into issue#3.
The next 3 are from issue #3. The boost is in effect, but only Enchantress's powers are being used. During the issue, she then gets power from other beings and thats when Cap starts to own Spectre.

Those scans actually take place BEFORE the boost. The following scans show magic-users all over the world (including Sentinel and Zatanna) lending their magical energies which gives Cap his boost.

These four, however, are of Marvel under his own power and getting his ass kicked.

Norrin rarely even uses his speed in combat. That's only because he can fly fast. This fight will be Norrin blasting CM with the power cosmic and CM landing punches. I think CM can take the power cosmic.

This fight is tough however but Norrin has a slight edge.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That makes 2 of us bro. I've been waiting for these since I saw the pic of borg a few months ago!

You think Guy and Hal are gonna own Borg something terrible? I hope its a good fight.

Is issue #13 a rematch of old? I wonder whats up with the mechanic wires?

Originally posted by Accel
If Surfer is smart, though, he'll utilize his far superior speed to never let Cap hit him.

This is funny considering were discussing this in another forum.

Similar to what you said. Travelling speed is different from fighting speed. SS has not been shown to fight at high speeds at all in over 30 years. I can't see that as an advantage.

What's to stop Surfer from dumping Marvel in a Blackhole or smashing his face with the board going at 100x lightspeed?

Originally posted by jrodslam
How often does Surfer use his speed in h2h combat? Not much i reckon. It wouldnt be like him to use his superspeed in combat.

True, he hasn't used it MUCH in fights, but the fact of the matter is he CAN as he has shown speeds far surpassing those of either Superman or Marvel. if necessary, he could just fly a out a little bit, speedblitz Marvel, maybe apply some matter manipulation that comes with the Power Cosmic, and repeat. he doesn't have to fight like a boxer to win this.

Originally posted by Accel
True, he hasn't used it MUCH in fights, but the fact of the matter is he CAN as he has shown speeds far surpassing those of either Superman or Marvel. if necessary, he could just fly a out a little bit, speedblitz Marvel, maybe apply some matter manipulation that comes with the Power Cosmic, and repeat. he doesn't have to fight like a boxer to win this.

Billy's magic will pertect him from matter manipulation

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This is funny considering were discussing this in another forum.

Similar to what you said. Travelling speed is different from fighting speed. SS has not been shown to fight at high speeds at all in over 30 years. I can't see that as an advantage.


Yeah, ironic ain't it?

I did say there was no indication of Superman fighting at lightspeed (exact same thing can be said about Surfer as well), but I never ruled out the speedblitz. Superman can still use that on Thor and Surfer can still use it on Marvel.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You think Guy and Hal are gonna own Borg something terrible? I hope its a good fight.

Is issue #13 a rematch of old? I wonder whats up with the mechanic wires?

I'm just hoping for a good fight. Borg should own them considering that he stood up to parallax impressively under his own power. Now he's boosted by 4 or 5 GL rings and it's a standard Hal and Guy.

Guy was owned by the Eradicator. Borg owns the Eradicator.

I'm sure Borg will finally lose in some ridiculoulsy cheesy (isn't it always?) way.

Originally posted by Accel
Those scans actually take place BEFORE the boost. The following scans show magic-users all over the world (including Sentinel and Zatanna) lending their magical energies which gives Cap his boost.

These four, however, are of Marvel under his own power and getting his ass kicked.

❌ Do you own the comic?

In issue #2(which is the first scan showed) they were stalemated. Enchantress wasnt boosting Cap yet.

You see her start the boost on the very last page of issue#2(In which they were stalemated).

The next 3 scans shown were from issue#3. At that time Enchantress is just starting to boost and Spectre is dominating Cap.

A few pages into boosting, Blue Devil asks her if she can get power from others. She said she can try. Once she started getting power from other magical beings Cap owned Spectre, until Enchantress went crazy.

Once again only the FIRST scan is Cap under his own power. They were stalemated. The other 3 scans are while Cap is being boosted. The boost just only allowed Cap to stay alive. It didnt boost him like he was pages later.

Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, ironic ain't it?

I did say there was no indication of Superman fighting at lightspeed (exact same thing can be said about Surfer as well), but I never ruled out the speedblitz. Superman can still use that on Thor and Surfer can still use it on Marvel.

Fighting at superspeed and flying fast are not the same.

Superman does both. Does Norrin?

Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, ironic ain't it?

I did say there was no indication of Superman fighting at lightspeed (exact same thing can be said about Surfer as well), but I never ruled out the speedblitz. Superman can still use that on Thor and Surfer can still use it on Marvel.

He's shown travel speed, not battle speed. I don't think SS is as fast as people make him out to be. He enters hyperspace after hitting light speed. His light speed precision example wasn't a good one as he missed snatching the IG of Thanos hand.

Lobo flies nakedly through space on his hog at light speeds easily. I'm not going to claim that he fights at light speed however.

Originally posted by Milkie
Billy's magic will pertect him from matter manipulation

That's a big maybe and I wouldn't put it past Surfer to be able to manipulate Marvel's magical lightning either.
Surfer has to many options to get a win,he got time travel,Matter manipulation,energy manipulation,and/or he can just blast Marvel into submission.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm just hoping for a good fight. Borg should own them considering that he stood up to parallax impressively under his own power. Now he's boosted by 4 or 5 GL rings and it's a standard Hal and Guy.

Guy was owned by the Eradicator. Borg owns the Eradicator.

I'm sure Borg will finally lose in some ridiculoulsy cheesy (isn't it always?) way.

Actually having more rings doesnt mean more power. They wearer may think he/she is more powerful, but its not the rings. Its the state of mind.

True Guy has been owned, but lately(since Rebirth), hes seemed better.🙂

I hope Borg doesnt loose on some BS. As long as its a defeat i can deal with. They just better not kill him.

Originally posted by Skeets
and/or he can just blast Marvel into submission.
That's one tactic that won't work for Norrin. If he can take wacked out Spectres blasts he can take Norrins.

Originally posted by Skeets
That's a big maybe and I wouldn't put it past Surfer to be able to manipulate Marvel's magical lightning either.
Surfer has to many options to get a win,he got time travel,Matter manipulation,energy manipulation,and/or he can just blast Marvel into submission.

SILVER SURFER IS NOT GOING TO MANIPULATE MAGIC.

NEVER SEEN SURFER USE TIME TRAVEL IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE.

BILLY IS NOT GOING TO STAND THERE WHILE BEING BLASTED.

Originally posted by Skeets
That's a big maybe and I wouldn't put it past Surfer to be able to manipulate Marvel's magical lightning either.
Surfer has to many options to get a win,he got time travel,Matter manipulation,energy manipulation,and/or he can just blast Marvel into submission.

I dont think Cap can be effected via matter manipulation either. I dont think the Gods would allow it. Secondly, Surfer cant changes Caps lightning. Its magical in property and that > Surfers cosmic powers/blasts.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually having more rings doesnt mean more power. They wearer may think he/she is more powerful, but its not the rings. Its the state of mind.

True Guy has been owned, but lately(since Rebirth), hes seemed better.🙂

I hope Borg doesnt loose on some BS. As long as its a defeat i can deal with. They just better not kill him.

Borg is unkillable and basically indestructable. Similar to the uber Iceman floating (pun intended) around these boards.

I agree about the rings...but they sure look purty on his mechanical hand. 😆