Shazam vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by dawsey28
If CM ever turned back to Billy Batson, then supes could beat him. Same goes for Surfer.

I believe they could beat him as CM also. Having the stamina of Atlas doesn't mean he can't be defeated.

It would take quite a few blasts, but SS could defeat him sooner or later.

Of course. Thats like saying if Hulk turned back to Bruce Banner I could beat him.

Im not saying just cause hes got the stamina of Atlas, he automaticaly wins. He can be defeated, just hasnt been defeated by Superman.

You think Surfer can take his blast? Just a question. I say that because Surfer is vunerable to magic as well.

I think it would take many many blast from Surfer to beat him. If that could beat him. Same goes for CM against Surfer.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I never said that CM could beat Superman. I said that Supes cant beat him.

The reason CM would say "If something goes wrong in the fifth dimention, the Earths going to need Superman much more than it needs me." is beacause Superman is DC's poster boy. Who else would it be? Superman is the obvious choice. Why? Cause hes Superman for petes sake. Argueably the greatest comic character of all time.

SS wining could be debatable. How would he win? I still say tie.

How would he win?

like how he beated Morg , Firelord , God like Cable , Terrax , Orion(from DC) , Hulk , Wonder Man , Abomination ( when SS was very weak) ,

Even against Krovac (he even managed to get a tie) etc.

What is Captain Marvel going to do punch him?

-Hulk has punched SS on the ground it had no effect (while he is trying to talk to him).
- Was trapped in rock by Krovac (that was planet size) he Shattered that planet.

You saw how easily he defeated Orion, and Kyle in crossover, he even turn Metropolis from a toy (size) to how it was (undid 5-dimentional Magic)

Few Cosmic Blast from surfer and CM is out.

-You really think he can survive such attacks?
- SS was hit by the avengers at once (most) (WW, Iron Man , SW , etc) and has standing like it was nothing
- Can survive Super Nova Explosion.

If SS wants to knock CM there is nothing he can do to hurt SS.

Originally posted by kgkg
What is Captain Marvel going to do punch him?

Few Cosmic Blast from surfer and CM is out.

-You really think he can survive such attacks?
- SS was hit by the avengers at once (most) (WW, Iron Man , SW , etc) and has standing like it was nothing

If SS wants to knock CM there is nothing he can do to hurt SS.

CM doesnt just punch. I think its very ignorant for you to say something like that.

You believe that a few blast from Surfer would take him out? Yet it didnt work to well on Cyborg huh? Surfer couldnt even "Halt" him.

Yes Surfer was hit by those Avengers and was able to stand afterwards. BUUUT while he was getting hit, he wasnt even able to break free. He couldnt even move till Hulk came and helped him.

In the next issue of that series, he quickly drained his energy in only a few minutes while trying to stop Hulk. Thats a serious lack of endurance in my book.

Obviously in that same book, a magical knife penetratred Surfer's skin. Magic seems to work very well against Surfer.

I dont think Surfer can knock CM out. Hell, Superman couldnt even do it. Superman is physically stronger than Surfer too. And Surfers blasts didnt even affect Cyborg Superman. Im not saying that CM could knock out Surfer though. The magic surely helps nonetheless.

Originally posted by jrodslam
CM doesnt just punch. I think its very ignorant for you to say something like that.

You believe that a few blast from Surfer would take him out? Yet it didnt work to well on Cyborg huh? Surfer couldnt even "Halt" him.

Yes Surfer was hit by those Avengers and was able to stand afterwards. BUUUT while he was getting hit, he wasnt even able to break free. He couldnt even move till Hulk came and helped him.

In the next issue of that series, he quickly drained his energy in only a few minutes while trying to stop Hulk. Thats a serious lack of endurance in my book.

Obviously in that same book, a magical knife penetratred Surfer's skin. Magic seems to work very well against Surfer.

I dont think Surfer can knock CM out. Hell, Superman couldnt even do it. Superman is physically stronger than Surfer too. And Surfers blasts didnt even affect Cyborg Superman. Im not saying that CM could knock out Surfer though. The magic surely helps nonetheless.

Lol if Iron Man, SW , WW etc were all attacking CM at the same time.

Shazam will be toast.

"Obviously in that same book, a magical knife penetratred Surfer's skin. Magic seems to work very well against Surfer."

He was weak (drained of his energy)

SS has blasted planets with easy, battled all those people I listed.

-SS is faster than CM
- SS is physical Stronger than CM (when augmenting his strength with power cosmic)( he has blasted planets(or close to it) while in fights)
- SS is more durable than CM(super nova , WW, rhino , fire lord , terrax etc ( all got plenty of hits ( but SS beat them with ease.

Each one gets 1 bolt from CM and is layed out. Superman drops to his knees with CM's blasts. I guess youre saying Ironman, Vision, Wonderman, Warbird, and Wasp can take it ehh? They are more durable than Supes?

Yes sufer was weak and drained of energy. How? 5 min trying to stop Hulk he wasted his powers which made him exhausted and weak. Bad endurance on Surfers part.

You dont think CM could beat all those you listed? Surfer couldnt even beat Cyborg Superman.

Surfer has to augment his strength to make himself stronger than CM you say? Yet CM has no limit to his strength either. How much will Surfer need to augment?

How do you know Surfer is more durable? He uses his powers for 5 min then looses all durability? Then gets stabbed by magical dagger?

So its settled SS beats DC's top Characters.

Wonderwoman, Superman, Gl's, Captain Marvel, Cyborg.

Got it. You win. No more Surfer vs threads for me.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Each one gets 1 bolt from CM and is layed out. Superman drops to his knees with CM's blasts. I guess youre saying Ironman, Vision, Wonderman, Warbird, and Wasp can take it ehh? They are more durable than Supes?

Yes sufer was weak and drained of energy. How? 5 min trying to stop Hulk he wasted his powers which made him exhausted and weak. Bad endurance on Surfers part.

You dont think CM could beat all those you listed? Surfer couldnt even beat Cyborg Superman.

Surfer has to augment his strength to make himself stronger than CM you say? Yet CM has no limit to his strength either. How much will Surfer need to augment?

How do you know Surfer is more durable? He uses his powers for 5 min then looses all durability? Then gets stabbed by magical dagger?

So its settled SS beats DC's top Characters.

Wonderwoman, Superman, Gl's, Captain Marvel, Cyborg.

Got it. You win. No more Surfer vs threads for me.

"You dont think CM could beat all those you listed? Surfer couldn’t even beat Cyborg Superman."

Cyborg superman did he beat SS? No he didn't. No shazam would not beat Morg , everyone that is at a comic level are going to give him hell , he will beat the lower level though.

But SS has beated Orion (this guy is near Supes level), And Kyle with no effort.

Cyborg never beated Surfer.

SS blasts that can level cites (planets ) that will do the job). If you think he can survive that than he should have no problem with WW.

And CM only = Superman because of Magic.

He can't even beat WW.

Yes SS will own.
Superman, CM , WW , Orion , GL , Flash etc in a one on one fight.

-SS goes through the Sun like it's nothing.
- Took like 20 nukes like it's nothing
- Supernova is nothing.
- getting hit from: Angry Hulk, Fire Lord , God Like cable and showing no sign of damage .

There are some bad written work but always SS has shown to have God-like Durability.

- Speed beyond light speed, CM can't match that

- SS can easily level Planets - And that type of attack won't K.O CM?

Originally posted by kgkg
Did you read all the issue ( SS was doing a lot more than just stopping hulk read the previous issues.)

"You dont think CM could beat all those you listed? Surfer couldn’t even beat Cyborg Superman."

Cyborg superman did he beat SS? No he didn't. No shazam would not beat Morg , everyone that is at a comic level are going to give him hell , he will beat the lower level though.

But SS has beated Orion (this guy is near Supes level), And Kyle with no effort.

Cyborg never beated Surfer.

SS blasts that can level cites (planets ) that will do the job). If you think he can survive that than he should have no problem with WW.

And CM only = Superman because of Magic.

He can't even beat WW.

Yes SS will own.
Superman, CM , WW , Orion , GL , Flash etc in a one on one fight.

-SS goes through the Sun like it's nothing.
- Took like 20 nukes like it's nothing
- Supernova is nothing.
- getting hit from: Angry Hulk, Fire Lord , God Like cable and showing no sign of damage .

There are some bad written work but always SS has shown to have God-like Durability.

- Speed beyond light speed, CM can't match that

- SS can easily level Planets - And that type of attack won't K.O CM?

As predicted by Juggernaut kgkg has turned up with all CC argumentslol, makes you wonder if he read the thread 🙄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
As predicted by Juggernaut kgkg has turned up with all CC argumentslol, makes you wonder if he read the thread 🙄

-SS speed blitz.(CM)
-Blasts him with earth destroying attacks.

SS is just too powerful for CM.

🙂

You mean Captain Marvel.

Silfer Surfer anyways, if you remember Thor defeated Captain Marvel and Silver Surfer defeated Thor in the infinity crusade.

But then again Thor had control over thunder and lightning. Captain Marvel could transform back into a boy to get out of mishaps and to temporarily confuse Surfer but it wouldn't last for long. The power cosmic is just too strong for somone, even if he is comparible to Superman in level..

Originally posted by Big Evil
You mean Captain Marvel.

Silfer Surfer anyways, if you remember Thor defeated Captain Marvel and Silver Surfer defeated Thor in the infinity crusade.

But then again Thor had control over thunder and lightning. Captain Marvel could transform back into a boy to get out of mishaps and to temporarily confuse Surfer but it wouldn't last for long. The power cosmic is just too strong for somone, even if he is comparible to Superman in level..

Cm has nothing on him

Originally posted by jrodslam
Each one gets 1 bolt from CM and is layed out. Superman drops to his knees with CM's blasts. I guess youre saying Ironman, Vision, Wonderman, Warbird, and Wasp can take it ehh? They are more durable than Supes?

And as you have already brought up. Supes is vulnerable to magic. Which is why he drops to his knees when hit by a magical lightning bolt.

Can CM stand in the middle of a Supernova and not break a sweat? Can CM survive a planet destroying blast? Until then SS wins.

Although I'd say that Thor would send Billy batson crying to his Mommy. Marvel vs DC don't count. Fans voted in wins.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
As predicted by Juggernaut kgkg has turned up with all CC argumentslol, makes you wonder if he read the thread 🙄

He's right on target.

Stop comparing comic book fights and start comparing characters. That's what this forum's about. The truth is that the Silver Surfer outclasses Captain Marvel. Wonder Woman is higher in hierarchy than Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by dawsey28
And as you have already brought up. Supes is vulnerable to magic. Which is why he drops to his knees when hit by a magical lightning bolt.

Even though I promised to stay away from all SS threads from now on, I had to reply to what you said.

We all know Superman is vunerable to magic. The reason I brought that up was because Surfer is vuynerable to magic as well.

Thats why i even mentioned it. Thats why I mentionewd him getting tired and drained after only 5 min of trying to contain the Hulk.

And in response to what kgkg said. I never said that Cyborg could beat Surfer. I simply stated that Surfer couldnt beat him.

CM doesnt = Superman because of magic. Hes just as strong and maybe even stornger. Bats and Manhunter said this. They are equal in about every way.

Anyways, i just wanted to say that. Im done with Surfer threads for now.

People say that Surfer can beat Superman, GL's, CM, WW, but then cant even contain Cyborg? To each his own.

SS does have some sh!tty durablity. Its a good thing Abom walked away after he hit him cause Surfer was weakened after just one punch from Abom.

CM is more than a match for SS than some people may think.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
SS does have some sh!tty durablity. Its a good thing Abom walked away after he hit him cause Surfer was weakened after just one punch from Abom.

CM is more than a match for SS than some people may think.

He can withstand the gravity of a black hole but his durability is sh*tty? Pfft.

You're using one inconsistancy to gauge Surfer's overall durability. Instead of measuring him at his worst, gauge him at his best.

What about the time jrod mentioned?

Wait.. Surfs can resist the gravity of a black fricking hole?!

CM now isn't even a challenge, screw that. Light can't even escape a blackhole. Silver Surfer defies the laws of physics and yet isn't composed of magickal properties..

Originally posted by juggernaut74
SS does have some sh!tty durablity. Its a good thing Abom walked away after he hit him cause Surfer was weakened after just one punch from Abom.

CM is more than a match for SS than some people may think.

-SS ha survived a planet destroying attack. (from korvac)
- SS took hit from all the avengers (most) (and stood like nothing happed)
- Super Nova is nothing.
- Took a blast from Cable and got up like it was nothing
- Took nukes like nothing happed.
etc

Yes there has been bad showing but overall SS.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
What about the time jrod mentioned?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
For someone who has all of Surfer's comics, you tend to ignore a lot about the character.

I am just not as impressed by him as you and kgkg are.