First off;
Many of your strategies break one of those three rules.
5. Reality warping (IE., Franklin Richards bending the time-space continuum to suit his will)
9. On-the-fly adaptation (IE., Doomsday's ability to come back from the dead immune to whatever killed him)
12. Power negation/boosting (IE., Fabian Cortez enhancing a mutant)
• This rule extends to anyone who can enhance a character's pre-existing powers or give them new powers entirely
Second, even IF you could master BS's mist form in a day, it doesn't phase. In Mutant X it clearly has to go underneath a door and I've spoken to people who have the comics, they say it's never shown the ability to phase.
Will write more when I get back
Originally posted by Nataku8188
First off;Many of your strategies break one of those three rules.
5. Reality warping (IE., Franklin Richards bending the time-space continuum to suit his will)
9. On-the-fly adaptation (IE., Doomsday's ability to come back from the dead immune to whatever killed him)
12. Power negation/boosting (IE., Fabian Cortez enhancing a mutant)
• This rule extends to anyone who can enhance a character's pre-existing powers or give them new powers entirelySecond, even IF you could master BS's mist form in a day, it doesn't phase. In Mutant X it clearly has to go underneath a door and I've spoken to people who have the comics, they say it's never shown the ability to phase.
Will write more when I get back
I only got a second so;
Turning invincible is an on the fly adaption. Rendering yourself immune to psionic attacks is an adaption. Creating an object that defies the laws of physics to hold me in place. All of these are his main strategies.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How is she turning invincible? Its binarys body which is nigh invulnerable anyway.
Her mist is 'invincible' and binary is just Warbird, she can't draw on binary's powers because she doesn't know how to. Add to the fact that the so called source (Wonder woman 137) that he posted has NOTHING to do with Zatanna. So, until he proves otherwise, there is no evidence Zatanna can do her magic without saying it backwards.
Originally posted by stormfront13
*just to let all the voters know*1) none of surfers characters are invulnerable to magic, and two of my charactera are very powerful with it
2) my character binary is a female version of surfer but slightly stronger
3)zatanna can tap into bs's magical abilities as well as binary's energies to augment her spells
3)nataku can't hurt me in anyway
4) i am a big supplier of his characters weakness
how is he gonna beat me?
1) Yeahup.
2) Binary is just warbird, you aren't going to master binary's extremely complicated powers in an hour/
3) Wrong, Zatanna and BS use two completely different forms of magic
4) In Mutant X 1, BS get's blasted by an energy while in mist form and goes down
5) I'm a big supplier of everything, and can avoid whatever you send at me
No binary is not just warbird. WB is WB cos binary exhausted her powers making her WB. If u read my posts you'll see why Zatanna will be able to tap into binarys powers. But that mists a part of her characters powers its not an adaptation or an enhancement therefore it seems very much allowed to me unless the creator of this thread says otherwise. Ive read many bios on Zatanna saying that her saying iy backwards is just a way of channeling and focusing her powers, its not integral to them. Check out the recent Sersi vs Zatanna vs Fate thread to understand more about her
As an energy wielder Zatanna would be able to sense the energies inherent within the body her minds occupying. While she wouldnt be able to use all of binarys powers skillfully she certainly would be able to draw on her energies to augment herself which is certainly allowed as its just an aspect of binarys powers. As standard binary is high class 100 and has immense energy manipulation powers
i suppose i had better vote soon.... i want some clarification on a couple of things first though
1, Can SF's guy turn into mist before the fight? or does she have to wait until the "bell"?
2, Can Damage use the energy from magical attacks to boost his power?
i've just re-read Mutant X issue #1 and Bloodstorm gets taken down rather easily by a mandroid...she is able to avoid a sentinels concussive blast, but the Mandroid's energy blast takes her down no sweat... so the "mist" is not invulnerable.... (but i still don't think zatanna will be able to master a power she doesn't even know she has to begin with)
anyone who has info on Damage could help me out here..... i guess i need Evangel for the other question
Storm Fronts strategy is no longer totally reliant on turning into mist anyway. So i wouldnt cast your vote until he comes on and clarifies it.
Binarys body is nigh invulnerable and can absorb cosmic energies. Binary is more powerful than SS and they basically hav the same powers. I beleive Binarys durability and strength will giv Zatanna the time she needs to utter a restraining spell or whatever stormfront feels he wants her to do. Damages body isnt being used so natakus amalgam surely cant absorb magical energies to boost the amalgams powers. Thats like saying SS attacks could be used to boost SF's character cos binary is the body.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Binarys body is nigh invulnerable and can absorb cosmic energies. Binary is more powerful than SS and they basically hav the same powers. I beleive Binarys durability and strength will giv Zatanna the time she needs to utter a restraining spell or whatever stormfront feels he wants her to do. Damages body isnt being used so natakus amalgam surely cant absorb magical energies to boost the amalgams powers. Thats like saying SS attacks could be used to boost SF's character cos binary is the body.
Surfer's mind is in charge, Binary's isn't...... Surfer has the advantage of actually knowing how to use his powers
damage's body isn't being used but his powers are and his power is to absorb energy for strength and concussive blasts (i think)
Binary could theoretically absorbs some of Surfers blasts... but i don't think Zatanna will know how to
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No binary is not just warbird. WB is WB cos binary exhausted her powers making her WB. If u read my posts you'll see why Zatanna will be able to tap into binarys powers. But that mists a part of her characters powers its not an adaptation or an enhancement therefore it seems very much allowed to me unless the creator of this thread says otherwise. Ive read many bios on Zatanna saying that her saying iy backwards is just a way of channeling and focusing her powers, its not integral to them. Check out the recent Sersi vs Zatanna vs Fate thread to understand more about her
Binary derives her powers by drawing energy from a white hole, the opposite end of a black hole. Zatanna will not figure out how to use this power in an hour, it took binary much longer than that to figure out how to use all of her powers, not to mention she already had her Warbird powers.
I've proven through a comic scan that Zatanna MUST speak to use her powers. If she didn't have to speak, she wouldn't have been disable for the entire fight because she was throwing up. Post a scan or issue number where it says she doesn't have to. SF said Wonder Woman 137, I checked that, volume 1 and volume 2, neither mentioned Zatanna in any way shape or form. Her only other evidence is from a website, I already posted a quote from a website that said Zatanna herself admitted to having to say the spell backwards to channel it's energies.
Originally posted by Scoobless
i'd like to take a moment to just say that i've really come around to liking the idea of them not knowing the full extent of their powers..... it makes it a lot more interesting
It would if people would accept the fact that they aren't going to have mastery of their powers in an hour.
As for the questions about damage;
Damage doesn't absorb energy, his body just takes the damage, heals, and becomes stronger. He's been thrown into a volcano and just blown it up. He's trained with the Teen titans, New titans, and The titans, all of which have magic casters, and his powers held up fine against their blasts. The blasts can do all the damage SF wants to SS, he just becomes more powerful the more he gets hit. He has shown to be able to hold his body together, even if it's in pieces. I'll get that scan for you in a little bit.
"Zatanna will not figure out how to use this power in an hour, it took binary much longer than that to figure out how to use all of her powers, not to mention she already had her Warbird powers. "
You obviously either havent read my posts or you havent taken it in. I 'll say this again. Before Carol became Binary she was just Ms Marvel NOT Warbird. Theres a difference. Warbird is a severely depleted Binary whose connection with the white hole has been f**ked up basically. Carol previously had no energy based powers WHATSOEVER. She was made binary. When the Starjammers energy reserves were on the brink and the ships systems were about to fail Carol sensed within her body the energies which the broods genetic tampering had made inherent to her. As a 1ST exercise of her powers she supercharged the starjammer making it run at 150% efficiency. She just had a feeling she could do it and by willing herself to do it her body tapped into the energies of the white hole. She previously had NO energy based powers.
Zatana is an energy wielder.
The chaarcters know that they have other abilities but are not told what they are or teir nature
As an energy wielder and with prep time she will without a doubt be able to tap into binarys energies. I have no question about that. I know you want to win Nataku but be fair, You know what im saying is completely feasible.
If carol can supercharge a gigantic space vessel without knowing what powers she has or their nature then an energy wielder like zatanna would do the same. Carol was fresh out the stasis tube when she did this. Zatanna with an hours prep will be able to tap into those energies.
Ms Marvel has just super strength and flight and invulnerability. Warbird has all of those but hers are energy based and she has energy absorption and manipulation abilities. Her powers can be augmented by drawing on outside sources. Binarys body naturally taps into the white hole to fuel her powers it is not a conscious thing. If it was a conscious thing then dont u think Warbird would be able to power herself up again into binary considering she was once her and with all her mastery over her own powers? EXACTLY!!! Its because her battle to save the sun ravaged her and her connection with the white hole was messed up physically. Binarys body naturally taps into it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"Zatanna will not figure out how to use this power in an hour, it took binary much longer than that to figure out how to use all of her powers, not to mention she already had her Warbird powers. "You obviously either havent read my posts or you havent taken it in. I 'll say this again. Before Carol became Binary she was just Ms Marvel NOT Warbird. Theres a difference. Warbird is a severely depleted Binary whose connection with the white hole has been f**ked up basically. Carol previously had no energy based powers WHATSOEVER. She was made binary. When the Starjammers energy reserves were on the brink and the ships systems were about to fail Carol sensed within her body the energies which the broods genetic tampering had made inherent to her. As a 1ST exercise of her powers she supercharged the starjammer making it run at 150% efficiency. She just had a feeling she could do it and by willing herself to do it her body tapped into the energies of the white hole. She previously had NO energy based powers.
Zatana is an energy wielder.
The chaarcters know that they have other abilities but are not told what they are or teir nature
As an energy wielder and with prep time she will without a doubt be able to tap into binarys energies. I have no question about that. I know you want to win Nataku but be fair, You know what im saying is completely feasible.If carol can supercharge a gigantic space vessel without knowing what powers she has or their nature then an energy wielder like zatanna would do the same. Carol was fresh out the stasis tube when she did this. Zatanna with an hours prep will be able to tap into those energies.
Zatanna is a MAGIC wielder.
You say Ms. Marvel had no energy powers? How about turning into light and flying around? How about her blasts? Unless this is some other Ms. Marvel I'm familiar with. I coulda sworn in Secret wars she was the black chick with the big afro.
Zatanna with an hour prep and no understanding of what her powers are, or the understanding of how to tap mutant type powers won't be able to master this system. Zatanna knows how to channel magic, not how to summon energy from a black hole.