Silver Surfer vs Cyborg Supes

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Showing a little bias here. Apparently, the reason you think Surfer shouldn't win this fight is simply because you don't like the character, or at least not nearly as much as you like Superman.

Superman is the favorite superhero of millions of people. However, these fights arent based on popularity. I've provided information proving that the Silver Surfer is more powerful than Superman, and now it seems that you and a few others have come to resent the character (and some of you myself,) for that reason.

If this is the case, I don't think there's anything any of us can do to change your point of view. No matter how many facts are provided, you aren't open to convincing.

I'm open enough to say this cube. Maybe you are overrating the character, and maybe I am underestimating him, but lets be serious here. This would not be an easy fight by any means for either side.

My dislike for SS has little to do with how the battle goes as there are tons of characters SS can beat. I put up this forum so we can debate. Some people take my characters side, some take yours. No matter what happens, at the end, we all end up learning more about these characters, so its not all bad.

For all we know, after all this...one of them may get a massive power upgrade next month totally making things uneven and we'll look back at this and 😆 .

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm open enough to say this cube. Maybe you are overrating the character, and maybe I am underestimating him, but lets be serious here. This would not be an easy fight by any means for either side.

My dislike for SS has little to do with how the battle goes as there are tons of characters SS can beat. I put up this forum so we can debate. Some people take my characters side, some take yours. No matter what happens, at the end, we all end up learning more about these characters, so its not all bad.

For all we know, after all this...one of them may get a massive power upgrade next month totally making things uneven and we'll look back at this and 😆 .

Understood. Respectable point.

To make all things fair, compare the two characters by listing all of their powers and their greatest feats of power before we argue about who would win.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]More like you are beyond logic .Once again, only you said cyborg can control flesh..go ahead and find where I said Cyborg can control flesh or anything...otherwise... shut up.

😆 I never said. What I did was QUESTIONED you. 🙄 Can you differential between the two?

He can control the Source Wall but he can't control flesh? So because it's flesh, it's immune to control where as the Source - only one of DC's most powerful relic - isn't immune to Cyborg Superman's control?

Metallic substance...somewhere in cyborgs realm to control. Controlling someones body and mind are different.

So now your just sticking to the "metallic substance" argument? What happened to your logic that since he can control part of the Source Wall (which is of an unknown substance) therefore he can control Surfer whose composed of an unknown metallic substance?

Flesh..totally different.

I.E. flesh more resistant to control than the Source Wall. 🤣

😆 It's ok...the world still loves the slow ones like yourself. 😆

Slow but not mentally challenged like yourself. 😉

Guys... stop the flaming...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Guys... stop the flaming...

Originally posted by Beyonder
😆 I never said. What I did was QUESTIONED you. 🙄 Can you differential between the two?

He can control the Source Wall but he can't control flesh? So because it's flesh, it's immune to control where as the Source - only one of DC's most powerful relic - isn't immune to Cyborg Superman's control?

Exactly. Control DC's most powerful relic. Now we are debating another powerful substance with more metallic properties. You are making this too easy. Where did u get flesh in this. Magneto apparently can create wormholes, but he can't control flesh either. 😆

He's been shown to control the source wall... apparently, either his power is greater than we are aware of (how does he recreate his kryptonian half...ever think of that?) or maybe the wall has just enough metallic properties with the rest of the unknown material that resides on it.

So now your just sticking to the "metallic substance" argument? What happened to your logic that since he can control part of the Source Wall (which is of an unknown substance) therefore he can control Surfer whose composed of an unknown metallic substance? [/QUOTE]

Read the last bunch of pages. No reason to repeat all this.

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I.E. flesh more resistant to control than the Source Wall. 🤣

Slow but not mentally challenged like yourself. [/QUOTE]

My argument still stands. Read up once again.

And yes, I am mentally challenged to break things down barney style for you to try to understand them. 💃

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Guys... stop the flaming...

Cube, I have no interest in flaming. So I will be the bigger E-man and stop on my end.

Anyway, It's been a pleasure disputing with you on this topic. I think its time we call it quits on this one, and let others bring fresh insight on these characters.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly. Control DC's most powerful relic. Now we are debating another powerful substance with more metallic properties. You are making this too easy. Where did u get flesh in this. Magneto apparently can create wormholes, but he can't control flesh either. 😆

He's been shown to control the source wall... apparently, either his power is greater than we are aware of (how does he recreate his kryptonian half...ever think of that?) or maybe the wall has just enough metallic properties with the rest of the unknown material that resides on it.

[B]

So now your just sticking to the "metallic substance" argument? What happened to your logic that since he can control part of the Source Wall (which is of an unknown substance) therefore he can control Surfer whose composed of an unknown metallic substance?

Read the last bunch of pages. No reason to repeat all this.

:

I.E. flesh more resistant to control than the Source Wall. 🤣

Slow but not mentally challenged like yourself. [/QUOTE]

My argument still stands. Read up once again.

And yes, I am mentally challenged to break things down barney style for you to try to understand them. 💃 [/B][/QUOTE]

Doesn't the Cyborg have Superman's DNA memorized?

Yes He does..I've been wondering for the longest how he recreates it, when nobody else in the dc universe has been able to do it.
Better yet, why not just recreate the whole body with flesh all over it Terminator style...

If he memorized Superman's DNA, it wouldn't be too hard for him to recreate his biohalf. All he would need is the raw materials, and viola, half Superman. Has he ever made himself look completely identicle to Superman?

No, he hasnt in any appearance I have seen him in. Just that same 1/4th of Supes face that he seems to favor.

I believe there is a ton of unlocked potential in this character as he is still relatively new, and there are mysteries to him.

New?! I remember the guy from years ago. When did he debut?

Yea, he was originally created from Superman's birthing pod.

And for the record,
metallic: adj: containing or made of or resembling a characteristic of a metal

Resembling. Doesn't mean it has to be even close to metal.

And I'd just like to point out that in this thread, people listed characters who are powerful enough to defeat Superman. Said lists included Mephisto and God-Cable. Both of which were thoroughly bitchslapped by Surfer. Norrin Radd is a cosmic level being, like it or not.

And Cyborg beat the Eradicator so easily in the Return of Superman thing (I'm assuming this is the instance you meant) because the Eradicator was taken by surprise that another Superman would attack him so and couldn't retaliate. At the end of the saga, a blast from the Eradicator is what forces Henshaw to resort to unloading the Kryptonite gas on Supes and the Eradicator. Don't say Cyborg would win cuz he beat Eradicator.

And for whoever called Surfer a whiner, would you put a price on your home, friends, family, and love? Kind of like a 'what if' situation. If you discovered the Fountain of Youth, but could only use it on yourself, would you take it, live forever, and remain young while everyone you know withers and dies, or choose to age and die with them?

In years..he's about a decade already.
I meant more as in compared to Surfer, Supes, Magneto, or Thanos, who have a lot more published material.

I think Cyborg is older than Thanos. He's pretty new.

You sure? Wasnt infinity Gauntlet before The Death of Superman?

Actually, you're right. Death of Superman was in 1993. Infinity War was in 1992.

Cyborg Debuted in Death of Superman?

Hank Henshaw was before that, but I'm pretty sure as cyborg Supes that was his first appearance.

Correct Dizzle. I had never heard of Henshaw until he revealed himself in the return of superman.. As cyborg however, he debuted in the "reign of the Supermen"

Interesting character though. Starts off as a spoof of Fantastic 4 gone wrong. Comes back as a combination of Reeds/Doom/Supes/Magneto.

even though the cyborg corraled only a small portion of the source wall if you look at the pic that was posted you can still see that it was still moon sized at the very least metoer sized. like i said b4 the source wall is an infintley large object so one small piece is still pretty big. maybe im just in the twilight zone or something but i think that controlling the source wall (yes the most powerful relic in DC)trumps flesh and metal, and im willing to say that if one can do that he can probably control anything else, including flesh and what appers to be metallic..thats just me.

also, the eradicator he so easily dispatched was the last son of Krypton aka the krptonian not the true eradicator who is also a being of energy