Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Flawed logic is very hard to understand. Basically, you're saying that the Cyborg should be able to control anything that's shiny.
But since Surfer drained hulks gamma energy...he can drain supes right?
Even though Supes powers work totally different from Hulk.
Don't throw stones from a glass house friend.
Maybe this will convince you:
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/surfer.html
Physical Description
Height: 6'4"
Weight: Unknown
Eyes: White
Hair: None
Other distinguished features: The Silver Surfer's skin is apparently a flexible metallic silvery material.
Flexible Metallic silvery material...mmm mmmm sounds tasty for the Cyborg.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
But since Surfer drained hulks gamma energy...he can drain supes right?
Even though Supes powers work totally different from Hulk.Don't throw stones from a glass house friend.
Maybe this will convince you:
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/profiles/surfer.html
Physical Description
Height: 6'4"
Weight: Unknown
Eyes: White
Hair: None
Other distinguished features: The Silver Surfer's skin is apparently a flexible metallic silvery material.Flexible Metallic silvery material...mmm mmmm sounds tasty for the Cyborg.
I gave you several reasons why Surfer could drain superman. You insist of reffering to the difference between Superman and the Hulk. Your logic is totally off. You're saying "Surfer is shiny so the Cyborg can control him." It sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
Notice the word "apparently."
Honestly, your argument is so full of holes, it isn't funny. Surfer can control his body's molecules. How can you compare Cyborg Superman controlling a small part of the non-sentient, defenseless, Source Wall to controlling the molecules of a sentient being who has control over his own molecules, and a means of defending himself? Really, think about it.
Sounds more like yourlogic is off buddy. Your THEORY is unproven as is mine.
Triumph and SS are different characters, and Hulk and Supes are different characters. Surely, its sounds a lot more ridiculous the way you base things. I wouldn't speak of flawed logic when you accused me of being hostile for simply disagreeing with you while others outright insulted you.
Back to this thread... "apparently" that is enough for the cyborg to control...its a lot closer to metal than the source wall, isnt it? His body would be vulnerable.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sounds more like yourlogic is off buddy. Your THEORY is unproven as is mine.
Triumph and SS are different characters, and Hulk and Supes are different characters. Surely, its sounds a lot more ridiculous the way you base things. I wouldn't speak of flawed logic when you accused me of being hostile for simply disagreeing with you while others outright insulted you.Back to this thread... "apparently" that is enough for the cyborg to control...its a lot closer to metal than the source wall, isnt it? His body would be vulnerable.
This argument is old...what is he going to turn into that wouldnt make him even MORE vulnerable to a different kind of attack? Lets stop going in circles.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sounds more like yourlogic is off buddy. Your THEORY is unproven as is mine.
Triumph and SS are different characters, and Hulk and Supes are different characters. Surely, its sounds a lot more ridiculous the way you base things. I wouldn't speak of flawed logic when you accused me of being hostile for simply disagreeing with you while others outright insulted you.Back to this thread... "apparently" that is enough for the cyborg to control...its a lot closer to metal than the source wall, isnt it? His body would be vulnerable.
My logic is flawed? I've given you perfectly logical reasons why the Silver Surfer would be able to drain Superman.
My logic:
Surfer can absorb and manipulate solar energy; this has been proven. Surfer can drain energy from a target, be it living or non-living. Superman's solar energy has been drained in the past by a character with energy manipulation powers similar to the Surfer's. Logically, Surfer would be able to drain Superman's solar energy.
Your logic:
Surfer is shiny. Cyborg has controlled shiny things in the past. Cyborg can control Surfer.
See the difference? My theory has all bases covered. Your's leaves many factors untouched.
"It's a lot closer to a metal than the Source Wall is."
How do you know this?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This argument is old...what is he going to turn into that wouldnt make him even MORE vulnerable to a different kind of attack? Lets stop going in circles.
Who said anything about shapeshifting? 😕
Regardless, how do you know that Surfer's durability would decrease if he shapeshifted? His skin doesn't give him his durability. Shapeshifting is a viable tactic, that is, if Cyborg's control is even a threat.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
My logic is flawed? I've given you perfectly logical reasons why the Silver Surfer would be able to drain Superman.My logic:
Surfer can absorb and manipulate solar energy; this has been proven. Surfer can drain energy from a target, be it living or non-living. Superman's solar energy has been drained in the past by a character with energy manipulation powers similar to the Surfer's. Logically, Surfer would be able to drain Superman's solar energy.
Your logic:
Surfer is shiny. Cyborg has controlled shiny things in the past. Cyborg can control Surfer.
See the difference? My theory has all bases covered. Your's leaves many factors untouched.
"It's a lot closer to a metal than the Source Wall is."
How do you know this?
Read the bio. Silvery metallic material... I know u understand this...
Cyborg controls metal, and apparently other materials..apparently he has some control over creating things other than metal and metallic materials seeing he can create a Superman clone bio half out of almost nothing. Once again (for the 1000th time) the wall is not metal..its also an unknown material. Surfers body is a lot closer to metallic..should make it easier... even others on this forum have shown cyborgs impressive abilities. You are the main one disputing this.
My logic...I also have shown where characters have tried these things and have failed...feel free to go BACK to the original thread and re-read through all of it.
You still have not answered what He will turn into to make him less vulnerable...how long will you continue to evade that question?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Read the bio. Silvery metallic material... I know u understand this...
Cyborg controls metal, and apparently other materials..apparently he has some control over creating things other than metal and metallic materials seeing he can create a Superman clone bio half out of almost nothing. Once again (for the 1000th time) the wall is not metal..its also an unknown material. Surfers body is a lot closer to metallic..should make it easier... even others on this forum have shown cyborgs impressive abilities. You are the main one disputing this.My logic...I also have shown where characters have tried these things and have failed...feel free to go BACK to the original thread and re-read through all of it.
You still have not answered what He will turn into to make him less vulnerable...how long will you continue to evade that question?
The bio says that Surfer is made of a silvery apparently metallic substance. This doesn't prove he can be controlled by Cyborg Superman. Surfer's skin is not closer to metal. Actually, the Silver Surfer's "skin" is the power cosmic.
Surfer can control the molecules in Cyborg's body as well. Surfer's power would negate Cyborgs control, if it even comes into effect.
Who, if you can recall, tried to absorb Superman's solar energy and failed? Regardless, The Silver Surfer's power exceeds Triumph's tenfold. If he is capable of draining Superman, the Silver Surfer is surely capable.
There are so many ways for Surfer to counter Cyborg's ability, it isn't funny.
Put up a forcefield.
Transform into fortified diamond.
Use his own control over ALL matter, (not just the shiny kind.)
Phase through Cyborg Superman.
The list goes on.
Has Cyborg Superman (under his own power) ever controlled a being capable of defending itself with control over it's own molecules?
Lets see...it took 2 blasts of full force omega beams as well and full strength heat vision to stop cyborg temporarily.
Omega beams are more powerful than Surfers cosmics blasts unless you believe the surfer can kill someone and bring them back to life also?
Cyborg was already hit with a surfer blast and did not think much of it.
Cyborg can break surfer (diamond, please) in half...hell...cable did it and he's nowhere near his strength level.
Cyborg can keep augmenting himself and rebuilding himself until surfer runs out of energy, then kill him.
He can put up a forcefield.
He can be in different hosts at one time (he's done it before)
Phase through surfer.
Controls surfers board and use it against him.
The list goes on.
Cyborg beat eradicator who has powers very similar to surfer and CAN transmute elements.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The bio says that Surfer is made of a silvery apparently metallic substance. This doesn't prove he can be controlled by Cyborg Superman. Surfer's skin is not closer to metal. Actually, the Silver Surfer's "skin" is the power cosmic.Surfer can control the molecules in Cyborg's body as well. Surfer's power would negate Cyborgs control, if it even comes into effect.
Who, if you can recall, tried to absorb Superman's solar energy and failed? Regardless, The Silver Surfer's power exceeds Triumph's tenfold. If he is capable of draining Superman, the Silver Surfer is surely capable.
There are so many ways for Surfer to counter Cyborg's ability, it isn't funny.
Put up a forcefield.
Transform into fortified diamond.
Use his own control over ALL matter, (not just the shiny kind.)
Phase through Cyborg Superman.The list goes on.
Has Cyborg Superman (under his own power) ever controlled a being capable of defending itself with control over it's own molecules?
For more or CC's "knowledge" go here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3808524#post3808524
he is intelligent he told me so himself 😱 😆
those are some very feasible arguments for the sake of SS but the fact remains that Cyborg is the walking poster child for the laws of thermodynamics, his essence is pure energy. yeah SS could concieveably transmute him into other things but im sure he could change himself back. from my point of view the cyborg wouldnt even have to try to mess with SS "apparently" metallic skin, i have a feeling he could go blast for blast until one of them is significantly drained and weakened and we all know that more than likley it would be SS.
and before anyone tries to jump on my case check the Hal vs SS thread where a lot of ppl were posting pics of SS in variant forms of weakned states so it is plausible.
Originally posted by manjaro
those are some very feasible arguments for the sake of SS but the fact remains that Cyborg is the walking poster child for the laws of thermodynamics, his essence is pure energy. yeah SS could concieveably transmute him into other things but im sure he could change himself back. from my point of view the cyborg wouldnt even have to try to mess with SS "apparently" metallic skin, i have a feeling he could go blast for blast until one of them is significantly drained and weakened and we all know that more than likley it would be SS.and before anyone tries to jump on my case check the Hal vs SS thread where a lot of ppl were posting pics of SS in variant forms of weakned states so it is plausible.
very plausible 😄
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Sounds more like yourlogic is off buddy. Your THEORY is unproven as is mine.
Triumph and SS are different characters, and Hulk and Supes are different characters. Surely, its sounds a lot more ridiculous the way you base things. I wouldn't speak of flawed logic when you accused me of being hostile for simply disagreeing with you while others outright insulted you.Back to this thread... "apparently" that is enough for the cyborg to control...its a lot closer to metal than the source wall, isnt it? His body would be vulnerable.
More of cosmic cube believing he is always right for more go here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=340949&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=3
ut funny
Its kinda sad b 😱 😆 💃
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
When did I say he could control parallax, and once again, parallax is leagues above Surfer...especially fully powered up.Parallax wanted to bring Coast city to life right, power which surfer could not dream of.
Parallax is regular organics powered up by his rings. Surfer is a shiny metallic type material..why is this so hard to understand? His body should be controllable by Cyborg and vulnerable to it.
?Yeah, but did he? Wanted too but did he?
And what part of a weak Parallax don't you get? Cyborg Superman didn't even control Parallax. Heck they were fighting right next to the Source Wall.
Again, has Cyborg Superman controlled a sentient being that isn't a cyborg?
So Surfer is silvery. What about it? What next? Are you going to claim that Magneto would effect Surfer's body as well. Oh please, find me evidence that he's affect another sentient non-cybernetic being.
Originally posted by Beyonder
?Yeah, but did he? Wanted too but did he?And what part of a weak Parallax don't you get? Cyborg Superman didn't even control Parallax. Heck they were fighting right next to the Source Wall.
Again, has Cyborg Superman controlled a sentient being that isn't a cyborg?
So Surfer is silvery. What about it? What next? Are you going to claim that Magneto would effect Surfer's body as well. Oh please, find me evidence that he's affect another sentient non-cybernetic being.
SS has control over molecules.
Originally posted by Beyonder
?Yeah, but did he? Wanted too but did he?And what part of a weak Parallax don't you get? Cyborg Superman didn't even control Parallax. Heck they were fighting right next to the Source Wall.
Again, has Cyborg Superman controlled a sentient being that isn't a cyborg?
So Surfer is silvery. What about it? What next? Are you going to claim that Magneto would effect Surfer's body as well. Oh please, find me evidence that he's affect another sentient non-cybernetic being.
Once again, Parallax is human....and what does he have to do with this?
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Surfer controls his molecules... right....
Last thing you all forget is Cyborg is an insane killer... he wont hesitate to do whatever it takes while surfer is of a more calm approach....even when the universe was in danger he didnt try to rearrange anyones molecules.
Metallic... Metallic, Metallic...what part of his body is a lot closer to metal than the source wall dont YOU get.
Cyborg wont be able to control SS mind...but the body is a whole different story.
Get over it. You waveriding goody 2 shoes will lose.