*sigh* Ok.
Captain Marvel has the strength of Hercules and the speed of Mercury, correct?
Diana has the strength of Gaea (Greater than that of Hercules) and the speed greater than that of Mercury.
Unfortunately Captain Marvel has a PORTION of the gods powers. Diana has the TOTALITY of the god's powers.
I thought CM has the combined strength of Hercules and Atlas.
Superman himself and even Batman have said that they were equals.
Every bio I read said that WW strength is near CMs and Supermans. I never saw one that said she was stronger.
I just started reading The Power of Shazaam series that ran from 1995-99 and he looks impressive thus far.
CM has the strength of Hercules and the STAMINA of Atlas. Different things.
Equals as heroes? Sure. Equal in power? Absolutely not.
Superman>Wonder Woman> Captain Marvel
In the war of the gods, WW owned CM. Even Zeus himself said she was stronger than CM. Why? The gods designed her to be.
Wonder Woman is near Superman's strength. CM however is below her. Ever wonder why she is often called to be "second in strength to Superman?"
It was okay.
spidey - more experience as digi has stated and all he needs to do is get close enough, rain about a hundred spidey level punches on SB (which he has done to opponents when he has been enraged) and he could end it. he's beaten MANY very powerful characters (ie) morlun (?? was he that guy that was as strong as thor??), all the sinister 6, he's hung with hulk, beaten firelord, etc . . . if written correctly (as digi said) spidey is a dangerous thing . . . and SB is just not all that bright . . .
elekra's taking down a frickin' catburglar EVERY time. if you don't think so, you've not read enough about her.
supes beats hulk - too many powers.
cap beats bats - each 'perfect human' but cap has a shield that is basically a part of him. bats has weapons too but i think cap could counter any weapon bats would have on his person (unless he's got some REALLY wicked stuff - as he might if he prepped for the fight)
flash
surfer in a CLOSE one.
lobo would break logan into so many pieces we wouldn't recognize the runt! and his whole skeleton is NOT adamantium!! parts of it are LACED with it. every bone NOT laced would be pulverized.
don't know enough about new AM. old namor should have owned him. telepathy may be enough to give AM this battle. but namor is a tough bastard.
thor in a VERY close one.
robin for sure. jubilee is just . . . silly. (what a dumb match up. so many other cool possibilities) and thanos. he's just too damn mean.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
You may be right but I just want to read it somewhere where it says that Gaea is stronger than Hercules.
It's common sense really. Gaea is the Primodial Mother of a large assemblage of gods. Think about it. Gaea (the Earth) has to shoulder entire cities, animals, plants, human beings, etc. for days on in.
<<Gaea is the Earth itself. Gaea is the GrandMother of all gods. She's more powerful than the entire Greek Pantheon.
So a runt like Hercules isn't in her league.>>
i know who gaea is, but just because she wields more power doesn't mean she is physically stronger. herc is stronger than zeus, but zeus wields more power. thor is stronger than odin, but odin has more power. i don't think this is a quantifiable argument. you might believe gaea is stronger, but can't prove it - i think herc is stronger (and he was made a full god as well, and is hardly a runt) but can't prove that either. in any battle i've ever seen CM and supes ahve stalemated each other completely. not saying WW isn't in their league - maybe even as strong, but i disagree with your reasoning.
<<It's common sense really. Gaea is the Primodial Mother of a large assemblage of gods. Think about it. Gaea (the Earth) has to shoulder entire cities, animals, plants, human beings, etc. for days on in.>>
and herc has held the earth - the firament to be more exact - which actually implies the whole friggin' UNIVERSE! not just the earth as most suspect.
Rematches between these same pairs as they are now would go like this:
Spider-Man vs. Superboy
This fight ends up being a chase. Spider-man really has very little, if anything, that could truly hurt Superboy at this point. Unless he had access to some kind of knockout gas or other gas as a weapon, he would end up dodging the energy blasts and telekinetic attacks Superboy threw at him until he was finally tagged.
Superboy 8/10.
Elektra vs. Catwoman
As I'm not a reader of either of these, I'll pass.
Superman vs. the Hulk
I think this would go very much like the original fight. Hulk would open up pretty quickly on the Man of Steel, and Superman would have to go all out early on to put the Hulk down. If he took his sweet time, he would end up being in real trouble, though.
Superman 8/10.
Storm vs. Wonder Woman
Storm is no pushover, but all she has is her (rather formidable) weather-control abilities. What it comes down to is Wonder Woman being an extremely aggressive combatant, and once she closes with Storm, there's no question of the outcome.
Wonder Woman 8/10.
Captain America vs. Batman
This one is decided by two things mainly. The first is Batman's wide array of gadgetry, and the other is his willingness to play dirty.
He and Cap are pretty evenly matched mentally and physically, but I'd have to lean slightly in favor of the Dark Knight.
Batman 6/10
The Flash vs. Quicksilver
Yes, this was definitely one of the more ridiculous matchups. It's funny how they tried to add drama to it by having QuickSilver get some shots in while Flash was distracted, and nearly take him down.
The rematch would be no contest.
Flash 10/10.
Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern
Silver Surfer understands the extent and use of his power much more so than Kyle understands the potential of the ring. A skilled and experienced wielder like Hal would make this fight much more interesting, but I have to give it to Surfer.
Silver Surfer 9/10.
Wolverine vs. Lobo
The second ridiculous matchup. Wolverine gets ripped a new one... and another... and another... and another...
Lobo 10/10.
Namor vs. Aquaman
The way the original fight went was somewhat believable to me. Namor rocked Aquaman in a direct fight, but the underdog pulled it off with the assistance of a whale.
Namor's only real weakness here is his arrogance. The problem is that he's got good reason to be extremely confident. Aquaman is much improved, but he's still not in the same class.
Namor 8/10.
Thor vs. Captain Marvel
This one is likely decided not solely on raw power, but on attitude. Shazam is just too kid-like to pull out all the stops, and Thor is a superior warrior. Plus, that hammer of his tends to make even bigger dents than his fists, which are bad enough.
Thor 7/10.
Robin vs. Jubilee
I haven't seen much of Jubilee lately, so I'll just assume she's marginally improved. Even so, the original fight was about right. Robin is a bit too slick for her, and she'd be taken in by his misdirection and cunning. His utility belt is much more useful overall than her pyrotechnics.
He'd have to make a flawless performance, though, because any kind of slipup would have him seeing stars.
Robin 7/10.
Darkseid vs. Thanos
Both are major players, but I really couldn't say.
Thanos 5/10.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Gaea is the Earth itself. Gaea is the GrandMother of all gods. She's more powerful than the entire Greek Pantheon.
So a runt like Hercules isn't in her league.>>i know who gaea is, but just because she wields more power doesn't mean she is physically stronger. herc is stronger than zeus, but zeus wields more power. thor is stronger than odin, but odin has more power. i don't think this is a quantifiable argument. you might believe gaea is stronger, but can't prove it - i think herc is stronger (and he was made a full god as well, and is hardly a runt) but can't prove that either. in any battle i've ever seen CM and supes ahve stalemated each other completely. not saying WW isn't in their league - maybe even as strong, but i disagree with your reasoning.
I see your reasoning. But you're wrong. Hercules raped and pillaged the Amazons. So the Greek Goddesses made it so that Wonder Woman would be stronger than Hercules. The quote "the strength of Gaea, greater than that of Hercules himself" isn't by me. It's from the mouth of Zeus and Athena themselves.
And Wonder Woman has kicked CM's ass TWICE. Zeus himself said that Diana is stronger than CM.
CM has a portion of Hercules strength. Diana has the TOTALITY of Gaea's strength.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<It's common sense really. Gaea is the Primodial Mother of a large assemblage of gods. Think about it. Gaea (the Earth) has to shoulder entire cities, animals, plants, human beings, etc. for days on in.>>and herc has held the earth - the firament to be more exact - which actually implies the whole friggin' UNIVERSE! not just the earth as most suspect.
Hercules did hold the Earth...and yet Diana in contest of strength kicked his ass. Hercules even admitted she was stronger than him. (He was a full-powered god by the way at the time.)