Why Prayers Aren't Answered.

Originally posted by JacopeX
Im catholic! And yes, we belive that the devil is wut makes us do te sins but God wants us all to not let the devil make us do bad and do good deeds, iight.

I think you should go back and reevaluate what the catholic church believes.

When you go to confession does the priest forgive you for your transgressions or the devil? Think about that, then think about who's responsible for the choices you make.

Im catholic!

Originally posted by JacopeX
Im catholic! And yes, we belive that the devil is wut makes us do te sins but God wants us all to not let the devil make us do bad and do good deeds, iight.

This is how the Catholic Church keeps control over you. It has taken your self responsibility out of the equation, and without self responsibility you will have to power.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is how the Catholic Church keeps control over you. It has taken your self responsibility out of the equation, and without self responsibility you will have to power.

He needs not power, he has heart and pride.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I think you should go back and reevaluate what the catholic church believes.

When you go to confession does the priest forgive you for your transgressions or the devil? Think about that, then think about who's responsible for the choices you make.

Originally posted by JacopeX
Why would the devil forgive you for doin bad when thats wut he wants you to do. The priest is the one that forgives of course. I thought about it and it only took me seconds. not that hard to think about you know.

I meant, does the priest forgive you for your transgressions, or does the priest forgive the devil for your transgressions.

Sometimes I really wonder about you........

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is how the Catholic Church keeps control over you. It has taken your self responsibility out of the equation, and without self responsibility you will have to power.

Originally posted by JacopeX
See I know, alot of people say that but many people tell me, "Dont let religion take over youre personality" well wut they said is wrong. I have a religion becuz i belive that god helps. When shit is goin wrong, i pray to god and things always come out good becuz i have patience. Ptience is wut god wants us all to have. People who dont belive in god are theo nes who live trouble lives usually and give up ((thats wut most are, im not sayin all yall)). Well im catholic and proud of it. And god is always with all of us.

A well indoctrinated response, but do you actually have a clue what you believe (as a catholic)?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
A well indoctrinated response, but do you actually have a clue what you believe (as a catholic)?

Im done talkin here.....for now

Originally posted by JacopeX
Im still studying my religious beliefs. all the things imm say in the religion forum is all that i know far.

Im done talkin here.....for now

You have yet to answer my question.

During confession, does the priest forgive you for your transgressions, or does the priest forgive the devil for your transgressions?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
A well indoctrinated response, but do you actually have a clue what you believe (as a catholic)?

Knowledge is dangerous.

Many in the Catholic church aren't taught the reason, though some of the protestant churches have answered that question. It has to do with rituals in the OT and the "Scape Goat." Placing all the sins on it. A transference of sin from Jesus to Satan, which is destroyed in the end.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Knowledge is dangerous.

I disagree, knowledge CAN be dangerous.

Lack of knowledge however, is what is truly dangerous.

And self induced ignorance is just annoying.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I disagree, knowledge CAN be dangerous.

Lack of knowledge however, is what is truly dangerous.

And self induced ignorance is just annoying.

No, no we can't have people thinking for themselves.

*cough, sarcasm*

They're afraid to think for themselves thinking what if they're wrong, because the devil goes around like a lion waiting to devour you. Feeling its too big of a gamble when you are talking about your eternal soul.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Been reading a new book, The Isaiah Effect. It discusses how the changes in editing the scriptures in the 4th century changed much of the meanings of what should of been conveyed. There were so many changes that whole ideas were lost, and until the Dead Sea Scrolls, historian and theologians were not aware of much of it. They knew they had been edited because the "whole" was found in the jars and scrolls.

One interesting thing that was found was about prayer...

The phrase: Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it to you.
Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask and ye shall receive, That your joy my be full.

Now..How times have we asked in prayer and we have not gotten it?
It seems that God does NOT answer most prayers...WHY?

The original re translation in Aramaic version:

All things that you ask straightly, directly...from inside my name, you will be given. So far you have not done this. Ask without hidden motive and be SURROUNDED BY YOUR ANSWER. Be enveloped by what you desire, that your gladness be full.

What the authors of the book has found doing much research is that the reason that our prayers aren't answered is because we are only speaking words that have no power..Looking at the original sources we are missing some aspects of prayer....in short, we need to speak it, feel its outcome with as many of our 5 senses as we can and accept that it has happened... For example, if you were going to pray for rain..You'd imagine what the rain feels like on your skin, what it smells like, what it feels like to walk in the muddy road, how the crops would grow with the rain, how the air would taste, and then thanks God for the opportunity of asking and believing it to be so....BTW, the rain story was confirmed and later that day, they did get rain in a long drought area...

And you never say things like. Please give me...You say instead...Thank you that I have...You state it as a fact and in the present that you already have it, and give thanks for it...

It's funny cause in metaphyicics it's called "The law of attraction"..You attract what you believe...If you believe you "don't have" then you'll attract the same...

Not exactly what I was saying there.....

The priest is the one that forgives of course

I thought about it and it only took me seconds. not that hard to think about you know

Originally posted by finti
who gave the priest such powers, if the priest can forgive why pray to a god?,

IESV CHRISTI VICARIO INFALLIBILI
ORBIS SVPREMO IN TERRA RECTORI
REGVM ATQVE POPVLORVM PATRI

which translates to:

To the Infallible Vicar of Jesus Christ
To the Supreme Governor of the World on Earth
To the Father of Nations and Kings

From "Crossing The Threshold of Hope", by Pope John Paul II, published by Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., copyright 1994 by Arnoldo Mondadori Editore, ISBN 0-679-76561-1, First Chapter, "The Pope": A Scandal and a Mystery -

The Pope is considered the man on earth who represents the Son of God, who "takes the place" of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity. [pg. 3]

The Pope is not the only one who holds this title. With regard to the Church entrusted to him, each bishop is Vicarius Christi. [pg. 13]

If you translate "represents the Son of God" into Latin, the official language of the Church, you get Vicarius Filii Dei,

Whoa sounds a bit blasphemous to me...
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Some shools of Buddhism, divide Buddha into three bodies, the nirmanakaya, sambhogakaya(or something like that) and the dharmakaya. They are like levels of influence that a being can have on our material world.

The most influent level is the nirmanakaya where a spiritual being can stay incarnated(or not... I think) to help us. In this state the being still have some of its human ego, what means this level is still impure spiritually. The other levels are more pure, but the being has less or no influence on our world, so maybe that could explain why they can´t help us directly. To help they must enter a level impure for them. But I´m not sure I need to research more about that.