Re: I was once close
Originally posted by JaxN
i once prayed to god for a bike, but quickly found out it didn't work out that way.... so i stole a bike and prayed for his forgiveness
Clever
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The answer is almost always "no" 😉
Or someone else a long time ago prayed that God wouldn't answer prayers.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The answer is almost always "no" 😉
Also, "feeling" the rain with one's senses and then rain occurring is nothing. Correlation does not equal causation--I guarantee that if one prays for snow in the heat of summer, snow is not something one will get.
The rest of the stuff is New Age nonsense.
Answers to prayers can take many forms. Sometimes the answer is just infront of you but you cannot hear it. Sometimes an answer to a prayer is not one answer, but a choice of two paths to take. Prayers are not a "give me this, nor a give me that" kind of thing. Free will is to make choices when given certain options, some being more benificial than others.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Or "wait."Also, "feeling" the rain with one's senses and then rain occurring is nothing. Correlation does not equal causation--I guarantee that if one prays for snow in the heat of summer, snow is not something one will get.
The rest of the stuff is New Age nonsense.
Dude u take my bullshit 2 seriously... i was kidding
like i fkn know why prayers arent answered, i dont even beleive ne of this crap
Our maybe and just maybe when you pray for something its just a bloody coincidence that the thing you wanted/needed happens.
I pray for rain and it rains. Is it an answered prayer or a movement in a weather pattern that just happened to rain at that moment.
Or when they don't happen, its not because you are not deserving or its not your time. Its just that the sequence of events that would lead coincidence to your feet have happened.
Prayers are just Psycho-somantic rubbish for weak willed people without the personal will or strength to do things for themselves.
Originally posted by MilitantDogI will disagree with this, it doesn't make them weak will or not able to do things for themselves at all. If they only rely on the prayer to do something then I would say that they are misguided, many people I know pray all the time but will also go out and do the thing that they are praying for or it helps them have the strength to do what it is they want.
Prayers are just Psycho-somantic rubbish for weak willed people without the personal will or strength to do things for themselves.
Originally posted by MilitantDog
...Prayers are just Psycho-somantic rubbish for weak willed people without the personal will or strength to do things for themselves.
As far as those people who think someone outside of them selves are listening to them while they pray, they are delusional. However, praying can be a feed back tool like focusing your inner thoughts onto the things you want or need. In that way a prayer can be answered: I want a new car; I pray for a new car; I work an extra job to save more money; I keep praying; I keep saving; when I have enough money, I go buy a new car. Praying was a tool that I used to focus my energy and get what I wanted.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
As far as those people who think someone outside of them selves are listening to them while they pray, they are delusional. However, praying can be a feed back tool like focusing your inner thoughts onto the things you want or need. In that way a prayer can be answered: I want a new car ; I pray for a new car; I work an extra job to save more money ; I keep praying; I keep saving; when I have enough money, I go buy a new car. Praying was a tool that I used to focus my energy and get what I wanted.
The things in bold can achieved without prayer. Just a little get up and go as the saying goes.
Originally posted by liebe911
Praying is not for the weak mind, Could you elobrate what a strong mind and a weak mind is?
One that can act, strieve, carry on and achieve with out having to resort to hoping the magic beardy man who lives in the clouds is going to changes circumstances to make things work for you.
Example 1:
Athlete who trains 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Wins Gold medal at the Olympics. Puts it down to his own hard work and dedication for his victory.
Example 2:
As above but claims God did it for him.
Example 1 = Strong Mind.
Example 2 = Weak Mind.
The power of prayer does nothing. Getting up off your fat lazy arse and doing something about it does.
Originally posted by MilitantDog
One that can act, strieve, carry on and achieve with out having to resort to hoping the magic beardy man who lives in the clouds is going to changes circumstances to make things work for you.Example 1:
Athlete who trains 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Wins Gold medal at the Olympics. Puts it down to his own hard work and dedication for his victory.
Example 2:
As above but claims God did it for him.
Example 1 = Strong Mind.
Example 2 = Weak Mind.
The power of prayer does nothing. Getting up off your fat lazy arse and doing something about it does.
the athlete in example 2 obviously does not believe "the magic beardy man who lives in the clouds is going to changes circumstances to make things work for you."
were he training as much as the person in example 1, he clearly knows that he is responsible for the outcome of the event. Clearly his prayers did nothing to stop him from "Getting up off [his] fat lazy arse and doing something about".
I think you will find that, while they may attribute success to God (which is in line with their beliefs), most people who pray understand that they are responsible for the things that happen to them in their life. Also, there are MANY people who don't believe in God who are more than willing to attribute success and failure to equally as non-scientific of a concept: luck.
Originally posted by inimalist
the athlete in example 2 obviously does not believe "the magic beardy man who lives in the clouds is going to changes circumstances to make things work for you."were he training as much as the person in example 1, he clearly knows that he is responsible for the outcome of the event. Clearly his prayers did nothing to stop him from "Getting up off [his] fat lazy arse and doing something about".
I think you will find that, while they may attribute success to God (which is in line with their beliefs), most people who pray understand that they are responsible for the things that happen to them in their life. Also, there are MANY people who don't believe in God who are more than willing to attribute success and failure to equally as non-scientific of a concept: luck.
Prayer is not only a Christian thing. You don't have to believe in the supernatural to get the benefit of prayer. All Nichiren Buddhists pray a set of prayers every morning and evening while doing Gongyo.