Originally posted by soleran30
see I didn't say just smoking pot I said LT effects of excessive use.........I could care less if people smoke pot or not..........however when they run behind the Alcohol causes (insert illness) yeah it sure does but thats not everyone and not in casual use.So let me make it clear I was curious about LT studies and more speciafically on LT excessive use.................I mean if you know of a scinetific study then let me know.
Yeah once again until someone does a study on the actual drug or comes up with proof there are going to be people sticking their head in the sand about the LT effects of pot on the human body.
There are short term effects of pot on individuals...............
http://www.doitnow.org/pages/129.html
have fun.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I make this out of it: You read studies and took them to be true, apparantly.Pot causes an altered state, people react differently to this said state. Therefore the third factor is the difference in people, not the drug.
-AC
Now I have a question for you.
If Pot isn't harmful, why are we even having this discussion? The thread is even devoted to telling how harmful it is.Why? I ask. Why?
(sound like anybody familiar you know)
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by soleran30
Yeah once again until someone does a study on the actual drug or comes up with proof there are going to be people sticking their head in the sand about the LT effects of pot on the human body.There are short term effects of pot on individuals...............
http://www.doitnow.org/pages/129.html
have fun.
As I've continually said, the semi-serious parts of that site refer to the act of smoking. In which case it's the smoking that does the negligible "damage". Not the drug.
Their main concerns:
Lungs.Probably the clearest health risk posed by pot is the danger to the lungs.
That's because marijuana smoke contains the same cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. And since pot smokers hold marijuana smoke in the lungs longer, regular use could pose the same kinds of cancer risks as cigarette smoking.
In addition, pot smokers also raise their risk of other lung problems, including bronchitis and emphysema.
That risk is considered higher still for people who smoke both pot and cigarettes.
Yes, this is done by the smoking, not the drug and it's still MASSIVELY, overwhelmingly lower than actual cigarettes because there are without doubt pot smokers that smoke to the equal of the worst "regular" smokers, and they're not dead.
Brain.Since THC accumulates in the brain for such long periods of time, and since the brain is so near and dear to all of us, research into its actions there has been the most closely-watched area of marijuana research in recent years. And from what we know today, those effects are something to think about.
he most striking set of effects involve memory. Recent studies show that pot can disrupt short-term memory -- the process in which recent events are encoded and stored in the brain.
This effect can be a disaster if you care about your grades and your future -- and a serious drag, even if you don't.
Other potential problems aren't much fun, either.
Calculation skills, reading comprehension, and other abilities can also be dulled by the drug, with effects lasting several hours after the high disappears. And the more you smoke, the longer they seem to last.
The same thing happens to reaction time and visual tracking ability, which could be a problem in certain circumstances, like driving a car. That's why it's as bad an idea to drive after smoking as it is to drink and drive.
Can? Yes exactly, it differs from person to person. It's not an eventuality, so the conclusion to be drawn is that the drug isn't causing this, it's bad subjective reactions. My Dad is allergic to bites by certain bugs, he swells up bad. Does it mean those bugs cause those reactions? No, because I've been bit and suffered no more than a small needlepoint mark.
It's like another way to convince kids to focus in school and not try pot. "If you do pot you'll fail." Yeah? If you're an idiot you'll fail also, big deal. I'd much rather have the world populated by pot than idiots.
Growth & Sexual Development.Another hot spot that's attracting serious scrutiny involves body systems that regulate growth and sexual development.
Interest here has heated up as the age of pot smokers has dropped. And as users' ages have fallen, concern about possible risks have increased -- and for good reason.
What's known at the moment is that marijuana causes changes in hormone levels of users which could alter normal patterns of growth and sexual development.
In boys and men, it causes decreased blood levels of testosterone, the main male sex hormone. In women and girls, levels of two hormones drop following marijuana use.
Researchers aren't sure if any serious problems result from reduced hormone levels in adults. What it could mean to younger people is another question, altogether.
And according to most experts, it's as good a reason as any for kids to pass on pot altogether
"The only negative I've heard about pot is that it MIIIIIGHT, by a remote chance, lower sperm count.......good! Too many f*cking people in the world." - Bill Hicks.
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
so what? did all of your undending knowledge fall from the sky. You got your info. from somehwhere also and foolishly BELIEVED IT.
You are the one shouting "It's bad for you" with ZERO proof and zero evidence, zero words to back it up. You think it's bad because you're most likely one of those who believe all illegal things are bad.
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Now I have a question for you.If Pot isn't harmful, why are we even having this discussion? The thread is even devoted to telling how harmful it is.Why? I ask. Why?
A) Because you are literally far too dense of a human being to comprehend and see that you are actually wrong.
B) Because in spite of me and everyone here, handing your posts back to you stamped with a big red F, you fail to answer our questions because you know you're wrong.
Now would anyone else like to join in?
-AC
The point of that website isn't to bash pot....................just like I am not here to bash pot.
That said there are negative effects on the executive brain functions and cognitive abilities do suffer from pot.........................
anyway I'll see if I can find some clinical studies with real life numbers this. I just find it comical to read there are side effects and people will still turn blindly to them.............yeah ok whatever live in lala land thats where you want to be
Originally posted by soleran30
The point of that website isn't to bash pot....................just like I am not here to bash pot.That said there are negative effects on the executive brain functions and cognitive abilities do suffer from pot.........................
anyway I'll see if I can find some clinical studies with real life numbers this. I just find it comical to read there are side effects and people will still turn blindly to them.............yeah ok whatever live in lala land thats where you want to be
1: Those "negative" side-effects are negative only in your opinion.
2: Side-effects aren't concrete and definite though, they differ. It's the person, not the pot. See my bug bite example.
You are making the side-effects out to be directly from the pot, this is false. Why? Because not everyone has them.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
1: Those "negative" side-effects are negative only in your opinion.2: Side-effects aren't concrete and definite though, they differ. It's the person, not the pot. See my bug bite example.
You are making the side-effects out to be directly from the pot, this is false. Why? Because not everyone has them.
-AC
AC you are mincing words and wasting my time, go read the brain part again you highlighted and if you don't feel those are negative you live in a place called denile considering most people would consider them negative and thats not even from excessive use.
losing memory and cognitive abilities=bad period no need to discuss that one its proven unless you can show me otherwise..........
here is another fun website.............no it doesn't bash pot and it dispells alot of myths however even in this website none have given pot the 20 year testing of alcohol or tobacco so its still rather moot until someone does these studies its hypothetical on alot of issues regarding pot.
Originally posted by soleran30
AC you are mincing words and wasting my time, go read the brain part again you highlighted and if you don't feel those are negative you live in a place called denile considering most people would consider them negative and thats not even from excessive use.losing memory and cognitive abilities=bad period no need to discuss that one its proven unless you can show me otherwise..........
here is another fun website.............no it doesn't bash pot and it dispells alot of myths however even in this website none have given pot the 20 year testing of alcohol or tobacco so its still rather moot until someone does these studies its hypothetical on alot of issues regarding pot.
is it comprehensible.....
Powerfulone: Why is it bad to do? Why is it "very" harmful on its own?
I asked that way before you ever decided to try and dodge by asking ME a question. Why isn't it harmful? Because any bad reaction that happens as a result, isn't from the pot. It's from the PERSON. The POT doesn't inherently hold that quality within it, but what it DOES hold is many positive, pain numbing qualities recommended often by doctors.
Still not answered my question though, so put the pom poms down and type a reply while I deal with this. You're an idiotic hypocrite and if you have no answer to my question besides more questions to save yourself time, leave.
Originally posted by soleran30
AC you are mincing words and wasting my time, go read the brain part again you highlighted and if you don't feel those are negative you live in a place called denile considering most people would consider them negative and thats not even from excessive use.
Mincing words? What? Don't like the fact that I blew your liferaft of a site out of the water? Tough break then.
Originally posted by soleran30
losing memory and cognitive abilities=bad period no need to discuss that one its proven unless you can show me otherwise..........
I agree that it's proven to happen. It's not proven to be a definite eventuality as a result of pot, it's an occurance that sometimes happens in people. Like some people are allergic to some substances, others are not.
So again, your "side-effects" and your "negative" side-effects aren't from pot, they're from bad reactions (subjective) to pot. If they happened to every single person, you would be correct. Alas, you are not.
Originally posted by soleran30
here is another fun website.............no it doesn't bash pot and it dispells alot of myths however even in this website none have given pot the 20 year testing of alcohol or tobacco so its still rather moot until someone does these studies its hypothetical on alot of issues regarding pot.
No more moot than every opinionated website you've provided.
You still aren't grasping the fact that all the side-effects are from subjective bad reactions, which I have never denied the existence of. The pot doesn't contain the chemicals to bring about these reactions in each and every person.
-AC
Go see my edited post. Secondly:
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Deal away, but don't dodge my question repeatedly it's so tiring.
Actually the single funniest and most hypocritical comment of all time. You have spent this entire thread dodging my question and you have the nerve to comment on how I better not dodge YOURS?
Talk about sickeningly idiotic hypocricy.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Go see my edited post. Secondly:Actually the single funniest and most hypocritical comment of all time. You have spent this entire thread dodging my question and you have the nerve to comment on how I better not dodge YOURS?
Talk about sickeningly idiotic hypocricy.
-AC
You got an answer, don't like it, tough, but you got one.
So now I ask you Why? Why isn't it? Why? Do you know? Why?
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Mincing words? What? Don't like the fact that I blew your liferaft of a site out of the water? Tough break then.I agree that it's proven to happen. It's not proven to be a definite eventuality as a result of pot, it's an occurance that sometimes happens in people. Like some people are allergic to some substances, others are not.
No more moot than every opinionated website you've provided.
You still aren't grasping the fact that all the side-effects are from subjective bad reactions, which I have never denied the existence of. The pot doesn't contain the chemicals to bring about these reactions in each and every person.
-AC
LOL subjective results that can be documented and proven time and time again is called SCIENCE...............its a strong foundation we place alot of faith in as a society and your welcome to join us.
The only thing you have dispelled around here is your ability to take a step back and acknowledge that pot does have recognizable measureable side affects that can be reproduced with the same results. Where as you are simply denying and not producing an ounce of proof to show that what I have presented is incorrect.
And the things I have shown with memory aren't even done in a 20 year clinical study.........................so please stop using your ancetodal pieces from what you "think" and "feel" and please feel free to post some evidance. Otherwise let me ask you simply this.
1. Do you consider the loss of future short term memory and cognitive abilites a negative affect on people?
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
actually i did answer your question, but you simply said, "no that's wrong and this and that and so and so this and this that and another crappity crap crap".You got an answer, don't like it, tough, but you got one.
So now I ask you Why? Why isn't it? Why? Do you know? Why?
is it comprehensible.....
I answered your question, read my post you cretin.
No, you didn't give me an answer. I don't care if it's one I don't like, I'm not asking for one I like, I'm asking for an answer.
It's not very bad for you inherently, you can't and haven't made any attempt to provide info of your own to prove otherwise, you just latch onto Soleran's underbelly and reply with, ironically, the type of comment you try to say I gave you.
So I shall ask you one last time:
Why, if we've established that it's not bad for you (the only bad is subjective reactions, like anything) then why is it bad to do? Because it's illegal?
-AC
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Deal away, but don't dodge my question repeatedly it's so tiring.I ask you. Why? Why isn't it harmful? Why? Do you even know? Why?
is it comprehensible.....
You do realise that oxygen is harmful too you... it can cause cancer...
There are lots of things in life that are fun and I do/would like todo that could be harmful.. Such as driving... or skydiving... even eating chocolate... hmmmm sugar...
Just cause something is harmful doesn't mean we have to live a 100% clean of it.. we just have to be strong enough to know that 1-2 drinks is fine... but 10-20... thats stupid...
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All or nothing is easy... But moderation.... Thats a dissaplen, and dissaplen come from withen....
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