Why in every debate, do you tug on my trouser leg like some starved puppy who isn't big enough to run with the big dogs, but yaps anyway?
Oh, because you're stupid and couldn't debate to save your own life. Stay out of it if you can't contribute, otherwise PM me with your comments about me or my demeanour. Ok? Good dog.
He does agree. He claims it makes you lazy, which is what I said...yet he asked me to prove it false...when we both made and agreed on the same point.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Maybe because there are people out there who do copious amounts of pot, every day, and haven't died or suffered any serious consequences aside from short-term, reversible memory loss.Just a thought.
-AC
Who knows unless there are health assesments before smoking and then tests and further health assesments to determine this and TADA there are none.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Prolonged? Yes. I never said the length was permanent did I? Prolonged doesn't mean permanent.
We need more study into this it has been shown to last years, it could be permenant! Not known yet.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou're also agreeing with me when you say "individuals". That suggests it's not the drug, it's how the person reacts subjectively TO the drug, which it is.
Pharmacology means interactions with individuals you can't have one without the other - silly point I don't understand it. No interaction takes place without THC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. It's still a subjective experience and proves that it's not the drug's fault, it's a result of unfortunate reaction with another person's body who may not be able to tolerate it.
It's not subjective to those around the person or the tax payer who has to treat the disorder in the UK.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why would I want to refute it? I'm agreeing with you. You sure you are an educator?
Your not really agreeing with me as you believe the persons body does it all without the drug!
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHardly a reason for pot being bad, is it? This isn't a definite outcome of pot in all cases, it comes down to how bad a person reacts to it...personally. As you said yourself, it's about personal tolerances. Someone might take pot every day for life and experience NONE of that.
Exactly, however if they don't realise the possible risks they are more likely to take it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How funny.
Anothers pain- I hope not!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri"Continue." "No, refute my claims." Refute the claims? What claims? The claims I said, you agreed with, I said I agreed with...and you asked me to refute? You've about run out of ideas on this board, haven't you?
Not really you just don't know enouogh to discuss thiss with me at any level beyond the most basic and sadly you want to believe pots fine as you take it.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWait...have you been taking pot?
-AC
Not for years 🙂
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Prolonged? Yes. I never said the length was permanent did I? Prolonged doesn't mean permanent.
We need more study into this it has been shown to last years, it could be permenant! Not known yet.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou're also agreeing with me when you say "individuals". That suggests it's not the drug, it's how the person reacts subjectively TO the drug, which it is.
Pharmacology means interactions with an individuals body, you can't have one without the other - silly point I don't understand it. No interaction takes place without THC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. It's still a subjective experience and proves that it's not the drug's fault, it's a result of unfortunate reaction with another person's body who may not be able to tolerate it.
It's not subjective to those around the person or the tax payer who has to treat the disorder in the UK.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why would I want to refute it? I'm agreeing with you. You sure you are an educator?
Your not really agreeing with me as you believe the persons body does it all without the drug!
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHardly a reason for pot being bad, is it? This isn't a definite outcome of pot in all cases, it comes down to how bad a person reacts to it...personally. As you said yourself, it's about personal tolerances. Someone might take pot every day for life and experience NONE of that.
Exactly, however if they don't realise the possible risks they are more likely to take it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How funny.
Anothers pain- I hope not! Drug abuse is not funny!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri"Continue." "No, refute my claims." Refute the claims? What claims? The claims I said, you agreed with, I said I agreed with...and you asked me to refute? You've about run out of ideas on this board, haven't you?
Not really you just don't know enouogh to discuss thiss with me at any level beyond the most basic and sadly you want to believe pots fine as you take it.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWait...have you been taking pot?
-AC
Not for years 🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
We need more study into this it has been shown to last years, it could be permenant! Not known yet.
Not known? Seeing as those who have had short-term memory loss...have regained full use of their memory after, I'd say that proves that it's not permanent. There have been no recorded or logged cases of permanent memory loss, there are recorded and logged cases of short-term reversible memory loss. As in, all of them.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Pharmacology means interactions with individuals you can't have one without the other - silly point I don't understand it. No interaction takes place without THC.
I'm saying what you are saying, pay attention. The drug does NO harm on it's own, correct? You said before that the reaction from pot all depends on personal tolerance...correct? In this case, it means the pot is not to blame for a bad reaction, because there was obviously an intolerance. Now, do you need that in crayola?
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It's not subjective to those around the person or the tax payer who has to treat the disorder in the UK.
Who said anything about that? I was talking solely about the bodily reactions from pot. Don't go off swerving now you're on the ropes.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Your not really agreeing with me as you believe the persons body does it all without the drug!
When did I ever say that? I said it's personal tolerance, which you also said. If they take the drug and have a bad reaction, it's personal intolerance, yes? You've said this. This would mean the drug is not to blame, because it was just unfortunate that the person is intolerant to it.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Exactly, however if they don't realise the possible risks they are more likely to take it.
Who's fault is that? It's theirs, it has no negative reflection on pot. It's not pot's fault.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Not really you just don't know enouogh to discuss thiss with me at any level beyond the most basic and sadly you want to believe pots fine as you take it.
Considering I've reduced you to a bumbling, purposefully misunderstanding mess, maybe you should look at who is able and who isn't.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centaurinot necessary.
Why in every debate, do you tug on my trouser leg like some starved puppy who isn't big enough to run with the big dogs, but yaps anyway?Oh, because you're stupid and couldn't debate to save your own life. Stay out of it if you can't contribute, otherwise PM me with your comments about me or my demeanour. Ok? Good dog.
He does agree. He claims it makes you lazy, which is what I said...yet he asked me to prove it false...when we both made and agreed on the same point.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Maybe because there are people out there who do copious amounts of pot, every day, and haven't died or suffered any serious consequences aside from short-term, reversible memory loss.Just a thought.
-AC
doesn't answer the question as to why it's banned.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not known? Seeing as those who have had short-term memory loss...have regained full use of their memory after, I'd say that proves that it's not permanent. There have been no recorded or logged cases of permanent memory loss, there are recorded and logged cases of short-term reversible memory loss. As in, all of them.
All of them? please show me the study witha 2004 - 2006 date on it🙂
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI'm saying what you are saying, pay attention. The drug does NO harm on it's own, correct? You said before that the reaction from pot all depends on personal tolerance...correct? In this case, it means the pot is not to blame for a bad reaction, because there was obviously an intolerance. Now, do you need that in crayola?
No the drug does minimal harm on its own for most as far aswe know. Personal tolerance varies within an individual due to factors as simple as diet that day.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who said anything about that? I was talking solely about the bodily reactions from pot. Don't go off swerving now you're on the ropes.
So you just phrased your post poorly, OK - on the ropes, I might be if you knew something at all to rebutt with 🙂 but you don't.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who's fault is that? It's theirs, it has no negative reflection on pot. It's not pot's fault.
It has a negative reflection on the level of knowledge they have as to pots possible side effects and something as simple as KD 50 variance due to diet, a bit like you actually.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[BConsidering I've reduced you to a bumbling, purposefully misunderstanding mess, maybe you should look at who is able and who isn't.
-AC [/B]
Of course you have - I see those psychological disorders expand as far as the delusional, poor AC if he knew anything scientific, I could argue with him,but he thought a virus was alive outside a host😉 bless.
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Well the point is it's banned and many of these other "more harmful" substances you say, aren't.There's a reason. Figure it out.
is it comprehensible.....
If rape was legal and music was illegal, would you think music's bad and rape isn't? That's what you're implying. You're implying that because pot is banned, it's more harmful (or harmful in general) than ones that aren't.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
All of them? please show me the study witha 2004 - 2006 date on it🙂
I'll show you a study, the drug doesn't change. Nor does the human body:
"Most of marijuana’s short-term effects wear off within two or three hours. The drug itself, however, tends to linger on. THC is a fat-soluble substance and will accumulate in fatty tissues in the liver, lungs, testes, and other organs. Two days after smoking marijuana, one-quarter of the THC content may still be retained. It will show up in urine tests three days after use, and traces may be picked up by sensitive blood tests two to four weeks later"
Short-term effects, such as memory loss. From here: http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No the drug does minimal harm on its own for most as far aswe know. Personal tolerance varies within an individual due to factors as simple as diet that day.
Minimal harm on it's own? It does NO harm when it's sitting there in a plant pot, does it? Jesus.
I didn't even think you could be this stupid. Why are you continually saying "Personal tolerance varies"? Of course it varies, that's why it's called "personal tolerance". This is exactly why pot cannot be blamed. If I have an allergic reaction to cheese, does it mean everyone's in danger of having one? No. Same with pot. Sometimes you're so brainless it baffles me.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So you just phrased your post poorly, OK - on the ropes, I might be if you knew something at all to rebutt with 🙂 but you don't.
Refute what though? Who's talking about taxes...besides you? I am, and have only been, discussing bodily and mental results. You started talking about taxes when you were stuck.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It has a negative reflection on the level of knowledge they have as to pots possible side effects and something as simple as KD 50 variance due to diet, a bit like you actually.
.......So how is this the drug's fault? We're discussing why you think pot is bad, and the best you've got is "People might not know the risks." So? That's their problem, pot doesn't sit there going "Take me!" If you choose to indulge drugs without knowledge, you're an idiot.
Let's try sticking to why pot is bad, hmm? Oh...you've got nothing.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Of course you have - I see those psychological disorders expand as far as the delusional, poor AC if he knew anything scientific, I could argue with him,but he thought a virus was alive outside a host😉 bless.
You couldn't argue with me, hence your desire to always reach out and find something irrelevant to say.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Bored now as everyone agrees except AC and Hit and Miss.Goodnight all!
Paging Whirly, paging Whirly! You've left your white flag in the GDF....that's white flag in GDF, thank you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If rape was legal and music was illegal, would you think music's bad and rape isn't? That's what you're implying. You're implying that because pot is banned, it's more harmful (or harmful in general) than ones that aren't.I'll show you a study, the drug doesn't change. Nor does the human body:
"[b]Most of marijuana’s short-term effects wear off within two or three hours.
The drug itself, however, tends to linger on. THC is a fat-soluble substance and will accumulate in fatty tissues in the liver, lungs, testes, and other organs. Two days after smoking marijuana, one-quarter of the THC content may still be retained. It will show up in urine tests three days after use, and traces may be picked up by sensitive blood tests two to four weeks later"Short-term effects, such as memory loss. From here: http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
Minimal harm on it's own? It does NO harm when it's sitting there in a plant pot, does it? Jesus.
I didn't even think you could be this stupid. Why are you continually saying "Personal tolerance varies"? Of course it varies, that's why it's called "personal tolerance". This is exactly why pot cannot be blamed. If I have an allergic reaction to cheese, does it mean everyone's in danger of having one? No. Same with pot. Sometimes you're so brainless it baffles me.
Refute what though? Who's talking about taxes...besides you? I am, and have only been, discussing bodily and mental results. You started talking about taxes when you were stuck.
.......So how is this the drug's fault? We're discussing why you think pot is bad, and the best you've got is "People might not know the risks." So? That's their problem, pot doesn't sit there going "Take me!" If you choose to indulge drugs without knowledge, you're an idiot.
Let's try sticking to why pot is bad, hmm? Oh...you've got nothing.
You couldn't argue with me, hence your desire to always reach out and find something irrelevant to say.
Paging Whirly, paging Whirly! You've left your white flag in the GDF....that's white flag in GDF, thank you.
-AC [/B]
read what you post as links AC
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm about half way down. could destroy the whole post with your own link but need sleep. 😂 the dangers of no knowledge 😉
The Impact on the Mind
Marijuana use reduces learning ability. Research has been piling up of late demonstrating clearly that marijuana limits the capacity to absorb and retain information. A 1995 study of college students discovered that the inability of heavy marijuana users to focus, sustain attention, and organize data persists for as long as 24 hours after their last use of the drug. Earlier research, comparing cognitive abilities of adult marijuana users with non-using adults, found that users fall short on memory as well as math and verbal skills. Although it has yet to be proven conclusively that heavy marijuana use can cause irreversible loss of intellectual capacity, animal studies have shown marijuana-induced structural damage to portions of the brain essential to memory and learning.
from your link 🙂
As I said we don't know yet.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
read what you postas links ACThe Impact on the Mind
Marijuana use reduces learning ability. Research has been piling up of late demonstrating clearly that marijuana limits the capacity to absorb and retain information. A 1995 study of college students discovered that the inability of heavy marijuana users to focus, sustain attention, and organize data persists for as long as 24 hours after their last use of the drug. Earlier research, comparing cognitive abilities of adult marijuana users with non-using adults, found that users fall short on memory as well as math and verbal skills. Although it has yet to be proven conclusively that heavy marijuana use can cause irreversible loss of intellectual capacity, animal studies have shown marijuana-induced structural damage to portions of the brain essential to memory and learning.
from your link 🙂
As I said we don't know yet.
It also says it has yet to be proven, so we must go by what we have, correct?
What DO we have? Animal studies, yep...real credible there. How about the human studies? How did they work?
Oh...that's right, short-term REVERSIBLE memory loss.
As it stands, there's no signs of it being permanent. There are signs, and proof, that it's reversible. Which would mean that it can NEVER be wholly permanent. Done and dusted with Mr. Pledge.
Anymore?
-AC
Once damage has been done to the brain its not really "reversible" as once again the brain cannot rebuild/repair like most tissue in our body................
Typically the brain finds different neural pathways to send the mssg around destroyed parts................so enough damage occurs and you cannot build a road over the grand canyon so to speak.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It also says it has yet to be proven, so we must go by what we have, correct?What DO we have? Animal studies, yep...real credible there. How about the human studies? How did they work?
Oh...that's right, short-term REVERSIBLE memory loss.
As it stands, there's no signs of it being permanent. There are signs, and proof, that it's reversible.
Anymore?
-AC
So you agree with me I said we don't know, so far you have failed to do anything but support my statements 😂 Thats why I can't argue with you. You know so little on anything concrete.
Animal studies are usually a good starting point, which is why we use them, obviously human data now needs gathering, as I said noone knows yet. If you wish to take the chance it's cool.
You see with secondary sources you have to have knowledge to start with to use them. It's cool - goodnight "man". Take a toke it'll relax you 😉
Originally posted by soleran30
Once damage has been done to the brain its not really "reversible" as once again the brain cannot rebuild/repair like most tissue in our body................Typically the brain finds different neural pathways to send the mssg around destroyed parts................so enough damage occurs and you cannot build a road over the grand canyon so to speak.
agreed