Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You Google against everyone though.So unless you assume you are the smartest on KMC, it must be laziness and secondary sources. Which is also the primary source seeing as you never post your own.
-AC
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So explain to me why you think it doesn't do what the Doctors and researchers say? you said "you didn't know it affected the limic system"
WoW! you can take things out of context now! thats impressive!
But lets backtrack and get the correct story now...
Whirly; "..how about going to show me pot doesn't affect the limbic system and can cause paranoia? hmm no?..."
ME; "Have I said that I didn't think pot effected the limbic system??"
Yes... quite clearly I never said anything of the sort...
Nice try at putting words in my mouth.. An amateur might fall for your flaming efforts whirly, but I got wise along time ago... Like many others....
Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Didn't use google "against" me, if that's possible.is it comprehensible.....
I've never used Google to aid myself in a debate against you, you kill off your own debates. Whether I've used it against you in other matters is another kettle of fish entirely.
Oh, and I'm going to quote you right now, Mr. Hypocrite: "I'm not talking to you. Bud out." Fun this, isn't it?
Whirly, you never provide primary "opinion" first. You Google it and then retype what you've Googled in an attempt to make it seem like this is your belief. You may fool a lot of people, but you obviously fool yourself more. You use Google out of laziness (if you're too lazy to debate, don't debate) and inability to lay out a summery or in-depth description of what it is you believe. You've done it three times or more already since you've returned, in this thread alone.
-AC
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Come on AC, I can dig it "man"
What do I want to discuss? I want to discuss your opinion on why weed is bad, if you hold this opinion (not Google, I'll know if you Googled it). I would be quite happy to discuss with you, I come here to discuss with others, not with Google. It's also really pathetic how you posted many desperation spams in order to make it look like I was dodging you.
Do you think it should be illegal?
Name to be the many negative side effects you believe it has that makes it harmful, if this is your belief.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've never used Google to aid myself in a debate against you, you kill off your own debates. Whether I've used it against you in other matters is another kettle of fish entirely.Oh, and I'm going to quote you right now, Mr. Hypocrite: "I'm not talking to you. Bud out." Fun this, isn't it?
Whirly, you never provide primary "opinion" first. You Google it and then retype what you've Googled in an attempt to make it seem like this is your belief. You may fool a lot of people, but you obviously fool yourself more. You use Google out of laziness (if you're too lazy to debate, don't debate) and inability to lay out a summery or in-depth description of what it is you believe. You've done it three times or more already since you've returned, in this thread alone.
-AC
I usual look for the evidence I want by using a specific search then kill the argument with evidence, yup you're right. It's how educators work they use reference material, you want me to scan a copy of Stryer and THC 😂 I think it would be incomprehensible to most here.
"Further evidence for causality was provided by a 2005 study showing the existence of a genetic predisposition to cannabis related symptoms of psychosis, by showing correlation between presence of the COMT gene, adolescent cannabis use and symptoms of psychotic illness (though for none of these traits separately). The study demonstrates that early adolescent cannabis use is a greater predictor for symptoms of adult psychosis among carriers of the gene. The study attempted to control for prior mental illness and other alternative explanations, thereby establishing causality. However, the small sample size, symptom screening prior to likely age of symptom onset, and the cohort nature of the study, all call the result into question. This theory is still hotly disputed, and further research is ongoing."
Like most things Its alot worse on kids then it is on grown adults... like you wouldn't allow a child to drink booze... Most of this research (like global warming) is "hotly disputed" I'm quite sure it has short term side effects (other wise there wouldn't be any point in doing it...😉) and like most things theres probably side effects for people who over indulge...
The most interesting point in this thread was that its illegal, but not as damaging as alcohol.. So why is it banned???
My opinion is it has therapeutic uses, it usually is not seriously bad however some people have different tolerances and brain chemistry, people can never be sure how a drug is going to affect them the first or undreth time. "Natuaral" drugs are the worst for this as the strength varie with any given harvest etc, for a variety of reasons. At the end of the day it's a choice for people however they must realise Pot is still illegal and know that someside effects some which are more serious than memory loss can take place. Clear?
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I usual look for the evidence I want by using a specific search then kill the argument with evidence, yup you're right. It's how educators work they use reference material, you want me to scan a copy of Stryer and THC 😂 I think it would be incomprehensible to most here.
Issuing a challenge to you now: Post without using smileys.
You Google your way into debates. You post a Googled opinion, then say "I agree, here's why *Posts what was contained in the article in a slightly changed overtone*".
The irony is, you claim to be an educator, but hardly anything you say comes from you. You don't use your opinion and then have reference material backing it, you use reference material and then get your opinion FROM it. Which is the most cowardly and foolishly ironic way an "educator" can debate. Not that you debate anyway, we've seen that you lack that ability.
-AC
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
"Further evidence for causality was provided by a 2005 study showing the existence of a genetic predisposition to cannabis related symptoms of psychosis, by showing correlation between presence of the COMT gene, adolescent cannabis use and symptoms of psychotic illness (though for none of these traits separately). The study demonstrates that early adolescent cannabis use is a greater predictor for symptoms of adult psychosis among carriers of the gene. The study attempted to control for prior mental illness and other alternative explanations, thereby establishing causality. However, the small sample size, symptom screening prior to likely age of symptom onset, and the cohort nature of the study, all call the result into question. This theory is still hotly disputed, and further research is ongoing."Like most things Its alot worse on kids then it is on grown adults... like you wouldn't allow a child to drink booze... Most of this research (like global warming) is "hotly disputed" I'm quite sure it has short term side effects (other wise there wouldn't be any point in doing it...😉) and like most things theres probably side effects for people who over indulge...
The most interesting point in this thread was that its illegal, but not as damaging as alcohol.. So why is it banned???
Alcohol if discovered today would be class A, thats why I asked you about KD 50 which isdose response, peoples tolerancesare different as is Brain Chemistry, Some people lack the gene for the breakdown of the fatty acid produced by alcohol.This is why I google 🙂 Ignorance. I actually can't discuss this stuff with many of you!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've never used Google to aid myself in a debate against you, you kill off your own debates. Whether I've used it against you in other matters is another kettle of fish entirely.Oh, and I'm going to quote you right now, Mr. Hypocrite: "I'm not talking to you. Bud out." Fun this, isn't it?
Whirly, you never provide primary "opinion" first. You Google it and then retype what you've Googled in an attempt to make it seem like this is your belief. You may fool a lot of people, but you obviously fool yourself more. You use Google out of laziness (if you're too lazy to debate, don't debate) and inability to lay out a summery or in-depth description of what it is you believe. You've done it three times or more already since you've returned, in this thread alone.
-AC
umm wasn't talking about you AC, i don't keep track of where you stuff comes from. Referring to Sir Whirlysplat, keep up.
And wtf is "fun this...."
And you know what's funny.
You take notes and remember just about everything I say, and gosh darnit if I don't remember a d@mn thing you've done said.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
however some people have different tolerances and brain chemistry, people can never be sure how a drug is going to affect them the first or undreth time.
Haven't read the thread have you? Because I was saying that about personal tolerances ages ago. That would mean that it's the person, not the fault of the drug, because someone else could take it all the time and be fine. So therefore, you can't say it's the drug holding those properties.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
"Natuaral" drugs are the worst for this as the strength varie with any given harvest etc, for a variety of reasons. At the end of the day it's a choice for people however they must realise Pot is still illegal and know that someside effects some which are more serious than memory loss can take place. Clear?
I love the way you just rehashed what I said long ago, then asked me if it was clear.
Illegality is irrelevant, first off. Second, it is a choice. It's not the drug's fault if you choose to dive in, head first, then have a bad experience.
Memory loss has been proven to be only short term and reversible. There have been no studies to show that it is permanent.
Name to me these more serious, proven side effects please (no Google).
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Haven't read the thread have you? Because I was saying that about personal tolerances ages ago. That would mean that it's the person, not the fault of the drug, because someone else could take it all the time and be fine. So therefore, you can't say it's the drug holding those properties.I love the way you just rehashed what I said long ago, then asked me if it was clear.
Illegality is irrelevant, first off. Second, it is a choice. It's not the drug's fault if you choose to dive in, head first, then have a bad experience.
Memory loss has been proven to be only short term and reversible. There have been no studies to show that it is permanent.
Name to me these more serious, proven side effects please (no Google).
-AC
OK Paranoia and it can add in certain susceptible people to other mental illnesses. It can also cause prolonged lethargy due to interactions with neurotransmitters. Never read your posts but now you claim mine, 😂 hilarious🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
OK Paranoia and it can add in certain susceptible people to other mental illnesses. It can also cause prolonged lethargy due to interactions with neurotransmitters. Never read your posts but now you claim mine, 😂 hilarious🙂
Paranoia can be caused by many things though. It passes, it's not permanent. Furthermore, as pot isn't addictive, if you have a bad experience and don't like it...you don't have any need or addiction to do it again. So if you get paranoid on it, you can then say "Not doing that again" and that's it.
It can add in certain susceptible people (this indicates that it's subjective, not the drug) to other mental illnesses?
A) They are susceptible people, not everyone is. Therefore it's not the drug, it's the person.
B) Go on, name these illnesses.
Prolonged lethargy due to interactions with neurotransmitters? Hahahaha, what a load of overly pretentious wank. "Prolonged lethargy due to interactions with neurotransmitters" aka "It makes you real lazy." Nobody has denied this.
A) Hardly a reason for pot being bad.
B) Pot doesn't make you lazy, you decide that on your own.
Continue please.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Paranoia can be caused by many things though. It passes, it's not permanent. Furthermore, as pot isn't addictive, if you have a bad experience and don't like it...you don't have any need or addiction to do it again. So if you get paranoid on it, you can then say "Not doing that again" and that's it.-AC
Not always and not in all individuals, prolonged personality change has been shown. could google for evidence.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) They are susceptible people, not everyone is. Therefore it's not the drug, it's the person.
The person has to take the drug Doh, it doesn't happen without it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Prolonged lethargy due to interactions with neurotransmitters? Hahahaha, what a load of overly pretentious wank. You basically mean it makes you lazy, which nobody has denied.
OK so can you refute any of this? No.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) Hardly a reason for pot being bad.
Depends if you enjoy psychological disorders which bit of cumulative response don't you get in regards to possible imbalance? In regards to naming its usually general depression although various pesonality changes can occur specifics I would have research. As there are a myriad of meanings to depression.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Continue please.
No - now I ask you to refute my claims 😂 you can't, can you!
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Not always and not in all individuals, prolonged personality change has been shown. could google for evidence.
Prolonged? Yes. I never said the length was permanent did I? Prolonged doesn't mean permanent.
You're also agreeing with me when you say "individuals". That suggests it's not the drug, it's how the person reacts subjectively TO the drug, which it is.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The person has to take the drug Doh, it doesn't happen without it.
Exactly. It's still a subjective experience and proves that it's not the drug's fault, it's a result of unfortunate reaction with another person's body who may not be able to tolerate it.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
OK so can you refute any of this? No.
Why would I want to refute it? I made the point originally and I'm agreeing with you. You sure you are an educator? You basically said "It makes you lazy" as a reason for pot being bad, except you said it in a way that would rival the pretentiousness of Pink Floyd.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Depends if you enjoy psychological disorders which bit of cumulative response don't you get in regards to possible imbalance? In regards to naming its usually general depression although various pesonality changes can occur specifics I would have research. As there are a myriad of meanings to depression.
Yes, so to reiterate what I just said:
Hardly a reason for pot being bad, is it? This isn't a definite outcome of pot in all cases, it comes down to how bad a person reacts to it...personally. As you said yourself, it's about personal tolerances. Someone might take pot every day for life and experience NONE of that.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No - now I ask you to refute my claims 😂 you can't, can you!
How funny.
"Continue." "No, refute my claims." Refute the claims? What claims? The claims I said, you agreed with, I said I agreed with...and you asked me to refute? You've about run out of ideas on this board, haven't you?
Wait...have you been taking pot?
-AC