Darth Vader vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by bertran
"Also, i find it INCREDIBLY amusing how Spiderman fans (notice i didn't say fanboys) on this thread juggle around with which version they wanna choose. Make up your mind as to which one gets his ass handed to him please.

Umm, ya...PRETTY sure that Whobedamandog was joking with the video game line. Just as I am pretty sure that Scoobless was joking with the Spidey TV show post.
And the fact is that its the Spidey supporters who have been consistent about what "version" of Spidey they are using. It's the Vader supporters that are citing examples from 2 or 3 or more different media.

ex: Vader supporter-------> movies
------> animation
--------> novels
------> comics
------> other
Spidey supporter ------> comics

That's a consequene of the fact that most spiderman supporters on this thread only know about Vader's appearances in the movies (to which they have admitted). By giving further reference the DV supporters only broaden the discussion that is otherwise limited. You don't understand? What you're saying here is the same as me accusing you guys of giving examples of Spidey comics later than 1985.
Is it really that hard to get?

~wickerman~

not if you have a decent IQ

Originally posted by jinzin
not if you have a decent IQ

Seriously now, IQ has nothing to do with it. But this is flamboyant fanboy-ism.

~wickerman~

Wickerman! You are unbelievable! Either that or there are 2 or more people using your handle!
You posted on pg.9 of this thread:
"Also, i find it INCREDIBLY amusing how Spiderman fans (notice i didn't say fanboys) on this thread juggle around with which version they wanna choose. Make up your mind as to which one gets his ass handed to him please."

But then, in your last post, you basically admit to doing EXACTLY what you were accusing Spidey fans of doing; that is: flip-flopping between different "versions"! Are you serious?!? Even you can see the hypocrisy there, right? ....... right?

And what is wrong from going back to Spidey comics from 1985? (not that I actually read any posts doing that) That way at least all the pro-spidey arguments still come from the same medium; namely COMICS!! Vader support has come from comics, novels, animation, and movies!

C'mom Wicker, don't let your little sister use your computer any more and your "arguments" will be a lot more sensical...

well I read somewhere that being a hardcore spidey fan can drop it into the low 70's for said debates but it may ust be a myth....

"But then, in your last post, you basically admit to doing EXACTLY what you were accusing Spidey fans of doing; that is: flip-flopping between different "versions"! Are you serious?!? Even you can see the hypocrisy there, right? ....... right?"

that's not the same AT ALL...the spidey fans are trying to decide who gets who on BOTH sides!

Originally posted by bertran
Wickerman! You are unbelievable! Either that or there are 2 or more people using your handle!
You posted on pg.9 of this thread:
"Also, i find it INCREDIBLY amusing how Spiderman fans (notice i didn't say fanboys) on this thread juggle around with which version they wanna choose. Make up your mind as to which one gets his ass handed to him please."

But then, in your last post, you basically admit to doing EXACTLY what you were accusing Spidey fans of doing; that is: flip-flopping between different "versions"! Are you serious?!? Even you can see the hypocrisy there, right? ....... right?

And what is wrong from going back to Spidey comics from 1985? (not that I actually read any posts doing that) That way at least all the pro-spidey arguments still come from the same medium; namely COMICS!! Vader support has come from comics, novels, animation, and movies!

C'mom Wicker, don't let your little sister use your computer any more and your "arguments" will be a lot more sensical...

That's exactly what i'm saying (refering to jinzin's answer to this quote). The SM fans are trying to use all the material that has ever been published, but deny all the material about DV. And in my last post i mean that if the SM fans are set on using only the movies in order to make it fair we should only use the earliest SM comic appearances.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by who?-kid
With the Force : probably Darth Vader, but I am not entirely convinced.

Without the Force : don't make me laugh. An old guy in a life support system with a sword against Spider-Man 😄.

Why would you tremove part of which defines the character?

If you're going to remove the force from DV you have to remove any spider abilityies from SM.

So it'sd be Vader with his Lightsaber versus Peter Parker with the webslingers. But no spider or force powers.

Who would win in this case? Need I remind you that a lightsaber can cut through anything except another lightsaber beam?

Anyway, I've found alot of ad ignoratum in this thread. "Because I haven't seen it he must not be able to do it." Even though people with the same (and less) powers can do more than him?

The OT seems pretty starchy because they didn't have the computer effects that were open to them in the first movie.

What could spiderman do? I've seen alot of arguments for "Spiderman is too strong for the force to work on him".

I'm sorry but Spiderman's strength range can not compete with the force strength range. The force can move 2000+ Tons. . . that is far stronger than Spiderman's output range.

You coundn't just get in and punch DV either. You'd have to be faster than the speed of light. Why? Because the Jedi can deflect laser bolts shot at them from. . .well alot of different opponents.

my point was actually wicker's hypocrisy...namely accusing spidey fans of one thing then doing the same thing himself.

some spidey fans (myself included) have admitted to only being familiar to movie-vader, and have said as much.

the reason for this of course is that although movie-vader may not be as powerful as the other vader versions, (and i'll take your word for this jinzin) it is the one most well known to 99% of the people that have heard the words "Darth Vader".

lastly...what is with the IQ cracks? its way beneath both of you (jinzin and wickerman). I've read a lot of your posts and though we disagree you both state your POV very well (most of the time). didn't think we had to regress into name calling.
believe me, you don't want to get into an IQ fight with me...(if there is such a thing.....see my next thread....lol)

Wicker wrote:
"And in my last post i mean that if the SM fans are set on using only the movies in order to make it fair we should only use the earliest SM comic appearances."

Wickerman, we are going over old material here, or did you not read Leonidas' post a few pages back?

His point was that how is it fair to equate Spidey's first few appearances to Vader's?

Spidey's first few were while he was new to his power, while Vader's first were after he already reached full power and maturity.

Originally posted by bertran
Wicker wrote:
"And in my last post i mean that if the SM fans are set on using only the movies in order to make it fair we should only use the earliest SM comic appearances."

Wickerman, we are going over old material here, or did you not read Leonidas' post a few pages back?

His point was that how is it fair to equate Spidey's first few appearances to Vader's?

Spidey's first few were while he was new to his power, while Vader's first were after he already reached full power and maturity.

No seriously.

What does it matter where one side or the other is coming from?

Use any medium you want, combine them all to get a better idea of the character.

Originally posted by bertran
Wicker wrote:
"And in my last post i mean that if the SM fans are set on using only the movies in order to make it fair we should only use the earliest SM comic appearances."

Wickerman, we are going over old material here, or did you not read Leonidas' post a few pages back?

His point was that how is it fair to equate Spidey's first few appearances to Vader's?

Spidey's first few were while he was new to his power, while Vader's first were after he already reached full power and maturity.

1. It wasn't hypocrisy, i was just getting fed up and was thusly fighting fire with fire.

2. like i've said, it simply is not fair to use only movie DV.

3. i didn't make the IQ crack, jinzin did, and i assume he did it only because he's tired in general and especially of this subject.

4. The point is that i understand what leonidas said and what you're saying. DV had had time to use his powers, blah blah blah. However, you have to understand that the movies simply could NOT have the needed special FX that would properly reproduce his powers. And also, that the ever so often mentioned Kenobi battle was a PIS.
What i'm saying is that the movies do him no justice. And even though that is so, the movie version himself as unimpressive as he was could take out SM. However, pitting the current SM against the movie Vader is a low low thing to do. Imagine a movie about SM in the 70's bertram and how well it could've portrayed his skills .......

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
And also, that the ever so often mentioned Kenobi battle was a PIS.

Wanna see a good Vader/Kenobi fight?

Episode 3 A MOVIE.

Movie Vader is also Anakin in the episodes 1-3. . . why is this not factored in?

Originally posted by Creshosk
"If you strike me down now..."

Wanna see a good Vader/Kenobi fight?

Episode 3 A MOVIE.

Movie Vader is also Anakin in the episodes 1-3. . . why is this not factored in?

Because in 1 and 2 he's not Vader yet and i dunno how many have seen 3 yet.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
Because in 1 and 2 he's not Vader yet and i dunno how many have seen 3 yet.

~wickerman~

Anakin becomes Vader, though Vader retained the abilities of Anakin and even gained in power.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Vader though symbolizes a metaphoric death does not detract from the characters overall abilities.

Anakin becomes Vader, though Vader retained the abilities of Anakin and even gained in power.

doesn't matter mon ami. it would be like involving Hal Jordan in a Parallax vs. someone else thread

~wickerman~

I made the crack cause it's funny.....if you gt the concept you don't fall into that category....I'm sorry but when speaking of hypocracy spiderman fanboys (for lack of a better term) take the cake......i could go on and on and on...but I'll just stop here.......I didn't mean for you to take it personal.....sorry if you did....

Originally posted by Wickerman
doesn't matter mon ami. it would be like involving Hal Jordan in a Parallax vs. someone else thread

~wickerman~

I think you'd find the Vader monlouges funny at least. 😆

i'm not even sure i follow

Originally posted by Creshosk
So from what I gather you consider Anakin and Darth Vader to be two completly seperate characters?

I think you'd find the Vader monlouges funny at least. 😆

what he means Jinzin is that he doesn't realize why we're talking bout DV but not also Anakin. And i gave the Parallax/Hal Jordan example which probably wasn't clear enough. What i meant was that this is a fight about DV vs. Spiderman. If it were a fight about Phoenix vs. Spiderman i wouldn't use Jean Grey as a means of measure.

~wickerman~