Darth Vader vs. Spider-Man

<<so then what constitutes being a true comic book vet? I've caught up on the books......>>

hell if i know, but in general i'd say more of an . . . appreciation for the classic-types (supes, spidey, cap, bats) and less of an appreciation for the wolvie-type/newer breed of 'dark', nearly anti-heroes. (and yes, i'm well aware that wolvie is pretty old himself but his character didn't evolve to its current state until much more recently)

it seems to me the younger folk (and anyone who can see or read can tell there are a LOT of them in this forum) go for the 'newer thing' - often times discrediting or just speaking ignorantly about the older characters. (supes gets dissed unbelieveably in this forum!) you know, it's the old, 'new is always better than old' argument. if i were to hazard a guess, i'd also say older fans/collectors, tend to be less biased in general towards ANY one character. if everyone had been collecting for 25 years (about how long i've been doing this silly thing) there'd be less fanboyism and more good clean debating. (and less people calling everyone who disagrees with their opinons fanboys! grr, i hate that . . .)

Originally posted by leonidas
<<so then what constitutes being a true comic book vet? I've caught up on the books......>>

hell if i know, but in general i'd say more of an . . . appreciation for the classic-types (supes, spidey, cap, bats) and less of an appreciation for the wolvie-type/newer breed of 'dark', nearly anti-heroes. (and yes, i'm well aware that wolvie is pretty old himself but his character didn't evolve to its current state until much more recently)

it seems to me the younger folk (and anyone who can see or read can tell there are a LOT of them in this forum) go for the 'newer thing' - often times discrediting or just speaking ignorantly about the older characters. (supes gets dissed unbelieveably in this forum!) you know, it's the old, 'new is always better than old' argument. if i were to hazard a guess, i'd also say older fans/collectors, tend to be less biased in general towards ANY one character. if everyone had been collecting for 25 years (about how long i've been doing this silly thing) there'd be less fanboyism and more good clean debating. (and less people calling everyone who disagrees with their opinons fanboys! grr, i hate that . . .)

okay I don't really agree that having an appreciation for newer characters compared to older ones....is a valid point......I mean younger comic book fans find appreciation for comic book heroes that relate to the present real world in some way shape or form........superman and captain america were made....their values and characters reflect the times they were created in......people loved them for it...... wolverine is in a time filled with anti-heros (matrix for instance) his popularity makes sense.....

but I do agree that total ignorance of older characters tends to be annoying and unacceptable....

I think a true comic book fan is one who has humility.....thus they go to find older comics finding out as much as they can, or at least enough to hold the proper respect for certain characters...
I don't believe age has much to do with it at all.....well after puberty anyways. lol.

Batman was the first anti hero.
I remeber seeing a documentary on the batman comics and they talked about that.Batman had the first gritty sense of realism in his books.While that pales in comparisson today to the likes of spawn or punisher,he set the standard.

well back in his dedective days (purple gloves) he was dark for his time....but nothing like wolverine.....he was just broody...

I also think he was the first to show a machine gun in his books.
could be wrong though

<<okay I don't really agree that having an appreciation for newer characters compared to older ones....is a valid point......I mean younger comic book fans find appreciation for comic book heroes that relate to the present real world in some way shape or form........>>

you contradict yourself yung padawan. first you say you disagree with my point about (perhaps in GENERAL) older fans having a greater appreciation for the classic-types, THEN you go on to give reasons WHY the younger gen. likes the newer heroes better. alzheimer's doens't usually set in until much later. maybe you ARE older than i thought . . .

hehe. and i'm not at all disagreeing with your assessment - just noting that it helps support my own suspicions.

and you're absolutely right - bats WAS the first 'antihero', and he began the trend that led to characters like wolverine because publishers realized fans enjoyed them. but true 'realism' (as opposed to the gritty realism of bats) didn't start to take shape until marvel truly began to rear its head with its 'real' person type heroes. eg - spidey, a super hero who also had to go to school and help pay the rent. i guess being older gives you a better sense of the overall perspective and history that we always have fun . . . discussing. not that those things always matter, of course - or help!

<<I think a true comic book fan is one who has humility.....thus they go to find older comics finding out as much as they can, or at least enough to hold the proper respect for certain characters...
I don't believe age has much to do with it at all.....well after puberty anyways. lol.>.

and i'm not sure humility is exactly the right word. maybe respect and a willingness to be open-minded, but your right in the end result - a desire to explore more established characters to come to respect them, even if you don't like them. and a lot of times age has everything to do with it - how else learn to develop the patience needed to debate properly and be open-minded enough to admit sometimes you're wrong. something people rarely do round these parts.

Anti-heros are probably the most popular today,but to me,and others,it's just not anti-heros you like.You have to also relate to a character.Most of the younger people reading comics to today relate more to guys like wolverine or the punisher.That said,it doesn't mean people don't appreciate older characters.Theirs a lot of good stories out their and the fans know that.

<<That said,it doesn't mean people don't appreciate older characters.Theirs a lot of good stories out their and the fans know that.>.

i'm not making a blanket statement, smiley (or implying that you personally don't share an appreciation for older characters) i'm just positing (with no real 'evidence' other than some guessed at loyalties in this forum) that the trends i mentioned MAY be true. i'm sure LOTS of younger fans love the older guys, like some older guys like the younger. in general though, i would guess older relates better to older, younger to younger. lots of people think supes is a nerd and discredit him. lots of people see spidey as still just a kid (even the new avengers wolvie TREATS him like a kid which, in my mind, is assinine). course, i may be wrong, but i do't think it's an irrational guess.

Spider-man has a lot over Darth Vader, strength, speed, agility and all of his original body parts. In that area it really is quite unfair for them to fight considering Vader is falling apart. But Vader has the force and the ability to take countless shots from lasers. Therefore, Darth Vader has a stronger frame and durability but I do agree that if he was webbed up it will buy Spidey some time to do a flip and evade the sith for a little over a few seconds while he cuts himself out. I think if Spidey got his helmet in a web he could easily yank his head off but he will get hit with something from behind and they will both easily die or Vader could knock him over with the force and pin him against the wall and start chocking him from across the room, (I sappose they would be fighting in the throne room from Return of the Jedi) and they crush him with his mind while Spidey cries like a little girl. But then you all know what will happen next....it happens in all comics books. Darth Vader will begin to walk over to the dying webhead and begin a long boring speech...

Vader: Well look at this...pathetic.
Spidey: (choke)
Vader: You would have done well to not meddle with our affairs.

(Some anonymous man enters)

Anonymous man: Sir, we have news that many heroes in tights are...

Darth Vader very upset with this guy with no importance at all seems to lose his thought since he has the attention span of a goldfish and starts choking this dude instead.

Emperor: Vader!!! Finesh the menace in tights first!

Spiderman regains his strength and rolls over and stands. He starts coughing up blood and gasping for air so blurred that he falls down a flight of stairs. He then gets attacked by Emperor Palpatine as the crazed sith jumps out of his seat and attemps to move in but instead gets punched so hard that he flies through a window smashing it instantly and dies.

Darth Vader and Spidey both grab hold of something close by as more anonyomous men start getting sucked out of the battle station. Spidey holds on for his life but since Vader has a space helmet he survives and watches Spiderman get sucked out into outer space....

later, feeling useless on a ledge somewhere Vader takes his own life.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
I do agree that if he was webbed up it will buy Spidey some time to do a flip and evade the sith for a little over a few seconds while he cuts himself out. I think if Spidey got his helmet in a web he could easily yank his head off but he will get hit with something from behind and they will both easily die[/b

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
[B]But Vader has the force and the ability to take countless shots from lasers.

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
Vader could knock him over with the force and pin him against the wall and start chocking him from across the room, (I sappose they would be fighting in the throne room from Return of the Jedi) and they crush him with his mind while Spidey cries like a little girl. But then you all know what will happen next....it happens in all comics books. Darth Vader will begin to walk over to the dying webhead and begin a long boring speech...

Vader: Well look at this...pathetic.
Spidey: (choke)
Vader: You would have done well to not meddle with our affairs.

(Some anonymous man enters)

Anonymous man: Sir, we have news that many heroes in tights are...

Darth Vader very upset with this guy with no importance at all seems to lose his thought since he has the attention span of a goldfish and starts choking this dude instead.

Emperor: Vader!!! Finesh the menace in tights first!

Spiderman regains his strength and rolls over and stands. He starts coughing up blood and gasping for air so blurred that he falls down a flight of stairs. He then gets attacked by Emperor Palpatine as the crazed sith jumps out of his seat and attemps to move in but instead gets punched so hard that he flies through a window smashing it instantly and dies.

Darth Vader and Spidey both grab hold of something close by as more anonyomous men start getting sucked out of the battle station. Spidey holds on for his life but since Vader has a space helmet he survives and watches Spiderman get sucked out into outer space....

later, feeling useless on a ledge somewhere Vader takes his own life.

"okay I don't really agree that having an appreciation for newer characters compared to older ones....is a valid point......I mean younger comic book fans find appreciation for comic book heroes that relate to the present real world in some way shape or form"

please re-clarify why this is a contradictory statement.....
all I'm tying to say here...is that newer comic book fans relate to whats hip and in today.....and then develop actual reasons for liking the character.....there are exceptions....there are always exceptions.....but I think this is one of the reasons they've had to re-kickstart spidermans character over and over again....same with supes and bats.......cause who they are today has been developed into something more suitable for todays generations while retaining the same overall virtues they've always had.......

anyways.....about the age thing.......age doesn't necessarily reflect maturity......for instance some of my friends and myself are more adept at talking to 20-30 year olds.....because our maturity in some aspects supersedes out age.....I suppose you could argue that we are the exceptions......and you could argue that effectively.....if that's true....as cliched as it sounds I blame society.......but thats another argument altogether.......anyways....from MY perspective....I've found that younger generations aren't quite as filled with fanboys as older......my theory: younger fans get the stuff suited for kids who like popular heroes......so then you get guys coming in here talking about how badly wolverine can beat namor with ease........while it did happen..... guys like you and me know why that is sooo wrong...... hence...they're simply unknowledgeable and in need of further education........but a lot of older fans.....they have ascertained firm "belief systems" about the characters they have chosen as their heroes.......and no new material that's contradicting to that system will mean a damn thing to them because they have a hard time accepting that characters develop....... who's the real "fanboy" in a contest of knowledgeable vs. narrow minded?.......while we could argue this back and forth......the last thing I have to say about the matter is that at any rate there are fanboys on both sides of the bar....old and young....always will be.....and it's up to us to stop them....lol.

jinzin........damn bro, you have won me over!! (seriously)
well said!
gotta respect someone that at leat takes it seriously and isn't bullsh*****g. Nice job.
Quite frankly its only been 10 or so hours since I last posted on this thread, but apparantly in that time, this thread has mutated substantiallly!!
It used to be a Vader v. Spidey thread, but now its very philosophical.
I like it!
That's all I got.....but I should let you know that I have heard the legends of LEONIDAS, and from what I have heard he is 85 years old and actually created the original Spidey....WOW

lol....the legends of leonidas....hahaha

well I'm glad to hear it man.....thanks for the compliment....🙂

whoops I meant unknowledgeable vs. narrow minded..my bad..

Originally posted by Cosmo Kramer
Spider-man has a lot over Darth Vader, strength, speed, agility and all of his original body parts. In that area it really is quite unfair for them to fight considering Vader is falling apart. But Vader has the force and the ability to take countless shots from lasers. Therefore, Darth Vader has a stronger frame and durability but I do agree that if he was webbed up it will buy Spidey some time to do a flip and evade the sith for a little over a few seconds while he cuts himself out. I think if Spidey got his helmet in a web he could easily yank his head off but he will get hit with something from behind and they will both easily die or Vader could knock him over with the force and pin him against the wall and start chocking him from across the room, (I sappose they would be fighting in the throne room from Return of the Jedi) and they crush him with his mind while Spidey cries like a little girl. But then you all know what will happen next....it happens in all comics books. Darth Vader will begin to walk over to the dying webhead and begin a long boring speech...

Vader: Well look at this...pathetic.
Spidey: (choke)
Vader: You would have done well to not meddle with our affairs.

(Some anonymous man enters)

Anonymous man: Sir, we have news that many heroes in tights are...

Darth Vader very upset with this guy with no importance at all seems to lose his thought since he has the attention span of a goldfish and starts choking this dude instead.

Emperor: Vader!!! Finesh the menace in tights first!

Spiderman regains his strength and rolls over and stands. He starts coughing up blood and gasping for air so blurred that he falls down a flight of stairs. He then gets attacked by Emperor Palpatine as the crazed sith jumps out of his seat and attemps to move in but instead gets punched so hard that he flies through a window smashing it instantly and dies.

Darth Vader and Spidey both grab hold of something close by as more anonyomous men start getting sucked out of the battle station. Spidey holds on for his life but since Vader has a space helmet he survives and watches Spiderman get sucked out into outer space....

later, feeling useless on a ledge somewhere Vader takes his own life.

😆 Best post i've seen all day man 👆

And leonidas, as for your age discussion, you should check out the "Superman is the worst character EVER". thread in the Superman section.

~wickerman~

what is that link exactly supposed to be....all I see are ads for a spead reading course...unless it was some sort of clever ruse to keep the spidey fans occupied while we kidnap him....

Originally posted by jinzin
what is that link exactly supposed to be....all I see are ads for a spead reading course...unless it was some sort of clever ruse to keep the spidey fans occupied while we kidnap him....

😆 it was a broken link. My bad. I just decided to write the name of the thread and edited...

~wickerman~

lol...I got three or four posts into it and I was already done....

Wickerman, you're right! That was a great post! I didn't even read the whole thing the 1st time around, I'm embarrased to say!
If it hadn't been for you pointing it out, I would have missed it!
Great post! Well done, Cosmo!