oy.....okay here's a lesson in jedidom for all you delusional guys that think spiderman being physically stronger and faster in this fight will give him a prayer in beatin vader......
the force makes a jedi the perfect warrior in every aspect... Aside from the fact that the force allows the fighter to sense incoming danger as AND before it happens, is also makes the jedi incredibly precise in aim and execution. with the force jedi's have been able to throw literally hundreds of droids into the air at a whim, lift and move entire gunner ships (litteraly hundreds of tons of weight), they can use the force to crush solid steel in the blink of an eye, as well as manifest it into invisible orbs that can be thrown to act as a pressure cannon. The use of the force can amplfy their speed and agility to superhuman levels, they can even seemingly fly using their levitation manipulation, also their strength/durability seems to be increased as well. using the force, the fighter doesn't even need to see an opponent to anticipate the oncoming attack and counter it, it also helps to pinpoint the volnerable spots open to their attack. the manipulation of the force, increases the fighting ability of the jedi and can also be used in very effective methods of persuasion during jedi mind tricks.....
basically.....spiderman's strength and speed.....while impressive to some certainly won't be impressive to vader......seriously watch clone wars....see what mace windu does to an ENTIRE droid army....multiply his power by about 2 to 3 and then you're looking at about the ballpark of what spiderman's dealing with.....tell me.....why the **** do his spider powers matter at this point?
didn't kenobi openly admit that the force gimmicks only work on weak-minded? now i know your penchant for NOT picking spidey in any thread jinzin, but even you can't think spidey is weak-minded? most of the other great force powers require a great deal of concentration - time he wouldn't have. and crushing steel in a blink? not sure about that claim . . .
damn, we do dance around spidey a lot, don't we . . . 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
didn't kenobi openly admit that the force gimmicks only work on weak-minded? now i know your penchant for NOT picking spidey in any thread jinzin, but even you can't think spidey is weak-minded? most of the other great force powers require a great deal of concentration - time he wouldn't have. and crushing steel in a blink? not sure about that claim . . .damn, we do dance around spidey a lot, don't we . . . 🙂
force persuasions only work on the weak minded. Force choke, push, etc have nothing to do with mind.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Just cause they didn't show it in the movie (a budget film with low tech special effects) doesn't mean it's not true.>>and just because they don't show spidey beating wolvie to a bloody pulp in a book, doesn't mean IT'S not true . . .
hehheeh
You're just being extremely silly right now. They didn't show Superman sneeze a galaxy in the movies did he? But he did in the comic books. They didn't show Wolverine put a claw in Sabertooth's brain in the movie did they? But they did in the comic book. Etc. etc. etc. This whole Vader vs. Spiderman thing is getting out of control. This should've ended from page one, but some people just don't want to accept that their super-incredi-hero would be able to lose to a guy in a black outfit with a bucket for a hat. For God's sake people, spiderman would lose...you are in what is called DENIAL
Now, i've seen ASBOLUTELY no battle scenario on behalf of the Spidey fans. All i've seen were "Duh, dey be stupeed SW fans duh, dey no be knowing Spidey za best duh" not in those words, but that's the impression anyone gets. This forum is for logical INTELLIGENT debating. Not teenage fanboys with crushes on guys in spandex.
If you have no knowledge of the characters this debate is about, then don't post. I'm sure you know a lot bout Spiderman, but unfortunately if you're guiding your responses about Vader solely on the movies, then my friends, you're waaaaay wrong.
Also, calling the dude an old guy with a toy sword and a plastic outfit that has asthma is cool with me, cause i don't love the guy that much. However, the character that is Darth Vader, as old and silly as he may be would indeed wipe the floor with ol' wise@ss petey. We've given you battle scenarios, ideas, FACTS. You just say Vader is too old and weak to withstand a punch from Spiderman....
This leads me to believe you're either idiots or have the attention span of a 3 year old girl.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's only true for the mind tricks.As for the steel in the blink of an eye thing, it's well within jedi power. Just cause they didn't show it in the movie (a budget film with low tech special effects) doesn't mean it's not true.
That's exactly right, the pathetic depiction of what Vader was, was truly to blame for Spidey fans believing that this powerful jedi to be beaten with physical force. Vader was downplayed in the movie and people got the wrong idea about him. I know I did.
But truly the same thing happens to Spider-man, the only difference is that's what makes some people like him, so only true fans of Spider-man get pissed.
If Spidey can dodge a hail of bullets fired at him from multiple directions then why would he get hit by things that move much slower than that. Spider-man getting surprised, cheap-shotted,ambushed,trapped, or hit by characters that can't possibly move as quickly as lasers, blasts, and bullets is sometimes just unexplained in his comics as if he never had spider-sense. Humanizes Spidey but pisses off his fans.
Now I see the same thing happening to Vader and everyone's surprised. If Vader was supposedly in a death match with luke and what was displayed in that fight was truly the extent of both of their powers, why would anyone think a jedi can hang with Wolverine, Spiderman, Cyclops, Cable, Thor ,or anyone who has a slight speed and strength advantage on the methodical slowpokes in the movies.
movie depiction Vader obviously loses against many foes
True Vader slaughters over half of the Marvel Unizerse
Clumsy, humanized Spidey gets hit by chumps.
True Spidey has few equals. 😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTER
movie depiction Vader obviously loses against many foes
True Vader slaughters over half of the Marvel Unizerse
Suddenly, the not so impressive Darth Vader from the movies (who is the original by the way) is what ? A fake one ? And the more powerful Darth Vader from the comics/cartoons/novels (all "somehow" official, though not always in continuity) is suddenly the real one ?
Okaaaay....
<<You're just being extremely silly right now.>.
yes wickerman, i know. that's why i was laughing.
<<Now I see the same thing happening to Vader and everyone's surprised. If Vader was supposedly in a death match with luke and what was displayed in that fight was truly the extent of both of their powers, why would anyone think a jedi can hang with Wolverine, Spiderman, Cyclops, Cable, Thor ,or anyone who has a slight speed and strength advantage on the methodical slowpokes in the movies.
movie depiction Vader obviously loses against many foes
True Vader slaughters over half of the Marvel Unizerse
Clumsy, humanized Spidey gets hit by chumps.
True Spidey has few equals. >>
too which i mostly agree. outside the movies though, my knowledge of vader is limited, hence my very limited views on this thread. if his telepathic powers are as great as some round here think, he WOULD beat spidey. i've never seen anything in any movie that would indicate such. he might try to choke spidey, but that choke scene took quite a while to happen - and i'd wager he couldn't keep that hold with spidey stuck to him like glue and bashing his helmet in. there were plenty of opportunities for the 'real' jedi powers to be demonstrated in the movies, but they rarely were. if there is evidence of vader's 'true' power, i'd like to see it (apologies if it's been shown in this thread - it's too long to reread), otherwise, based on what i know of vader, it's gotta be spidey.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<You're just being extremely silly right now.>.yes wickerman, i know. that's why i was laughing.
<<Now I see the same thing happening to Vader and everyone's surprised. If Vader was supposedly in a death match with luke and what was displayed in that fight was truly the extent of both of their powers, why would anyone think a jedi can hang with Wolverine, Spiderman, Cyclops, Cable, Thor ,or anyone who has a slight speed and strength advantage on the methodical slowpokes in the movies.
movie depiction Vader obviously loses against many foes
True Vader slaughters over half of the Marvel UnizerseClumsy, humanized Spidey gets hit by chumps.
True Spidey has few equals. >>too which i mostly agree. outside the movies though, my knowledge of vader is limited, hence my very limited views on this thread. if his telepathic powers are as great as some round here think, he WOULD beat spidey. i've never seen anything in any movie that would indicate such. he might try to choke spidey, but that choke scene took quite a while to happen - and i'd wager he couldn't keep that hold with spidey stuck to him like glue and bashing his helmet in. there were plenty of opportunities for the 'real' jedi powers to be demonstrated in the movies, but they rarely were. if there is evidence of vader's 'true' power, i'd like to see it (apologies if it's been shown in this thread - it's too long to reread), otherwise, based on what i know of vader, it's gotta be spidey.
PM Jinzin about it. I'm sure he'd be willing to give you plenty of references of Vader annihilating armies of droids. Either way, i already admitted that if Spiderman gets into hitting range it'll be very tough. However, i don't see any way of him being able to even approach Vader. Don't put aside the precognition Vader has which is pretty much like Spidey's danger sense. Or the Force push and lift. He'll most likely make sure Spidey never comes within hitting range while still concentrating enough to choke him.
He doesn't even have to choke him btw. That's just ONE option. Another one would be simply force pull/push him into a wall...bash the little spider 😄
~wickerman~
i'm not sure we're really debating - i don't know enough to do so with confidence. your scenario's are certainly possible, just not based on what i've SEEN of the character. i like DV as much as the next guy, and high level telepaths and tekes can certainly give spidey trouble. again, my assumptions are based strictly on what i've seen in the movies.
"Now, i've seen ASBOLUTELY no battle scenario on behalf of the Spidey fans. All i've seen were "Duh, dey be stupeed SW fans duh, dey no be knowing Spidey za best duh" not in those words, but that's the impression anyone gets. This forum is for logical INTELLIGENT debating. Not teenage fanboys with crushes on guys in spandex.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA 😂
"We've given you battle scenarios, ideas, FACTS. You just say Vader is too old and weak to withstand a punch from Spiderman....
This leads me to believe you're either idiots or have the attention span of a 3 year old girl"
stop man you're killin me hahahahaha! 😂
"Vader would force choke spidey to death. Then he would go get some lovin from mary jane and force choke her when hes done."
is wayne brady...I mean...."is darth vador gonna have to choke a *****?"
PLEASE EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT TRUE JEDI PERFORMANCE AND DOESN'T WANT TO BUY A BUTT LOAD OF COMICS NEW AND OLD TO FIND OUT: WATCH STAR WARS: CLONE WARS........YOU GUY S WILL UNDERSTAN WHY SPIDERMAN WON'T WIN AFTER WATCHING THIS.....TRUST ME...
jinzin......you use the movie to prove your point (mace windu...android army...bla...bla....bla) but the fact is that if you use the movies as a barometer of vader's powers you are f****d. Vader does NOTHING in the movies! So, sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If you are upset that the movies depict Vader as a puss, fine, but don't then rely on the movies for your pro-force argument.
Fact is, Vader is Spidey's plaything!