Wickerman, you obviously didn't read my entire post, or more likely; you decided to ignore it. My point is this: Throughout this thread, there have been 2 trains of thought. One being: let's compare Vader from the movies to Spidey. The 2nd being: No, no, the movies don't portray Vader as he "truly" is. We must go to the comics/novels to get a true grasp on his powers.
My take has been from that start that I only know Vader from the movies, and as such, yes, Vader would be Spidey's rag doll.
That being said, perhaps comic/novel Vader is significantly stronger.
Whatever, it doesn't matter, because in my last post I was trying to point out that jinzin was using Mace Windu's power from the movies to validate Vader's power, and yet he admits that the movies aren't a fair depiction of Vader.
I'm just saying that either the movies are valid or they are not.
If they aren't: then you can't use Mace Windu's performance in "Clones" as an indicator of Vader's power
And if they are: Then who gives a rat's ASS what Mace did, because this is a Vader v, Spidey thread, and the fact is that in the movies, Vader has done nothing to show that he is even a 5 second battle for Spidey.
So pick your poison Vader fanboys, cause you can't have it both ways.
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"Whatever, it doesn't matter, because in my last post I was trying to point out that jinzin was using Mace Windu's power from the movies to validate Vader's power, and yet he admits that the movies aren't a fair depiction of Vader."
hmmmmm movies from the 70's and early 80's with limited budget and special fx......vs. movies/cartoons made today with a much higher budget and farrrrrr superior fx.....geee I wonder why....
"its been stated" .... whoopdee do. the fact is , and you know you can't dispute it, or else you would've already, is that at no point in any of the 5 Star Wars movies do we have any evidence of Vader doing anything even remotely close to what you say Mace Windu does in Clones.
Ergo....either you stop using the movies as proof of Vader's powers, or admit that "movies-Vader" is Spidey's punching bag.
wow.....I just did dispute it....you guys want spiderman to use his powers how he is supposed to have them right? well then give vador his powers......just because a movie made in the 70's couldn't support the abilities of the character...all the sudden he can't do the things....his character has proven to do later on in tie ins? ooooooook....that's ****ing ridiculous....
but I'll indulge you.....or not...
force choke=dead spidey...nah I don't think so.....
Originally posted by who?-kidIt's cool that you agree with me that movie Vader isn't all that impressive => Vader Fans everywhere, show me a pic in the movies or some really impressive fight scenes that will convince me that DV has a good chance against Spider-Man after all. I asked this before... nobody replied.
What is this "True Vader" crap ?
Suddenly, the not so impressive Darth Vader from the movies (who is the original by the way) is what ? A fake one ? And the more powerful Darth Vader from the comics/cartoons/novels (all "somehow" official, though not always in continuity) is suddenly the real one ?
Okaaaay.... [/B]
The reason that I said true Vader is because the movie depiction was the opposite of true, that being false. Just like Spidey's old tv SHOW (not the cartoon) the movie vader was not the real version any more than that Spidey or Hulk show was a genuine presentation of them. You know you'd burn anyone who tried to use those shows to support an argument against them! So why pretend that the movie vader was genuine when we all know he wasn't? Still a Spidey fan here but there's no shame in losing to Vader. 😎
Originally posted by The MISTER
The reason that I said true Vader is because the movie depiction was the opposite of true, that being false. Just like Spidey's old tv SHOW (not the cartoon) the movie vader was not the real version any more than that Spidey or Hulk show was a genuine presentation of them. You know you'd burn anyone who tried to use those shows to support an argument against them! So why pretend that the movie vader was genuine when we all know he wasn't? Still a Spidey fan here but there's no shame in losing to Vader. 😎
The TRUE Vader - if there is a true Vader - is the Vader of the movies. That's when it all started : the movies. The comics, the novels, the cartoons... they all are spin offs of the movies, sometimes not even in continuity.
The only true Vader, the "Darth Vader to rule them all" is the first and original Vader. You can't decide for your own which Vader is the so-called real one because it suits your purposes. The first one, the original one and the most known one is obviously the true one.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Sorry, but you are as wrong as one can be.The TRUE Vader - if there is a true Vader - is the Vader of the movies. That's when it all started : the movies. The comics, the novels, the cartoons... they all are spin offs of the movies, sometimes not even in continuity.
The only true Vader, the "Darth Vader to rule them all" is the first and original Vader. You can't decide for your own which Vader is the so-called real one because it suits your purposes. The first one, the original one and the most known one is obviously the true one.
Originally posted by The MISTER
You make a good point. 🙂 But in the movie he only battled jedi. Since he fought no non jedi how can we be sure that they didn't negate each other drastically?
The "other" DV-incarnations, well, they would give him more trouble, that's for sure. I never denied that.
See you 😉
Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, only an old Jedi and a young unexperienced one to be more precise 😉 . That's why I keep saying that movie Vader is not in the same level than Spider-Man. Not even close.The "other" DV-incarnations, well, they would give him more trouble, that's for sure. I never denied that.
See you 😉
Sometimes there are unseen forces at work in a battle between two jedi
( I guess ) 🙂
Originally posted by who?-kid
Sorry, but you are as wrong as one can be.The TRUE Vader - if there is a true Vader - is the Vader of the movies. That's when it all started : the movies. The comics, the novels, the cartoons... they all are spin offs of the movies, sometimes not even in continuity.
The only true Vader, the "Darth Vader to rule them all" is the first and original Vader. You can't decide for your own which Vader is the so-called real one because it suits your purposes. The first one, the original one and the most known one is obviously the true one.
Ok, cool. So we're talking about the "lame darth vader" vs. the initial spiderman in the comics? The one that had trouble with cops? Or should we put the lame DV against the Spiderman from the toon show from the 90's that a fat guy (kingpin) would give trouble to in 1v1? Or maybe the Spiderman that had to go against villains like "The Walrus"?
Point is, if you wanna put the "lame DV" against spidey, trust me, the initial spidey and even later incarnations won't last long.
ps: i STILL haven't seen any strategies from the Spider supporters other than "DV is no match for Spidey" and this and that.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Ok, cool. So we're talking about the "lame darth vader" vs. the initial spiderman in the comics? The one that had trouble with cops? Or should we put the lame DV against the Spiderman from the toon show from the 90's that a fat guy (kingpin) would give trouble to in 1v1? Or maybe the Spiderman that had to go against villains like "The Walrus"?Point is, if you wanna put the "lame DV" against spidey, trust me, the initial spidey and even later incarnations won't last long.
~wickerman~
You want the strongest Darth Vader ? Fine, you got him. I choose the strongest Spider-Man, who can hold his own against the Hulk and beats Firelord, Titania, Rhino and Iron Man to a pulp - to name a few.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Hehehe, the old "let's all focus on the not-so-great-fights of Spider-Man" trick. Sorry dude, no offense, but better people have tried that.You want the strongest Darth Vader ? Fine, you got him. I choose the strongest Spider-Man, who can hold his own against the Hulk and beats Firelord, Titania, Rhino and Iron Man to a pulp - to name a few.
no offense taken dude 👆 however, you were the one using the "let's all focus on the not-so-great-fights of Darth Vader" . I was simply extrapolating on that thought.
Ok, be my guest and use him. Now...waiting for a battle scenario. Cause about 6 pages ago we provided one.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
no offense taken dude 👆 however, you were the one using the "let's all focus on the not-so-great-fights of Darth Vader" . I was simply extrapolating on that thought.
~wickerman~
And why are you complaining ? I already gave a fight scenario. Read the entire thread instead of polishing your Darth Vader altar 😉
It's not like YOU are pulling one plausible fight scenario after the other out of your ass 😄
Originally posted by who?-kid
Wrong. I used the REAL Darth Vader, not the comic/novel Darth Vader who is just an upgraded version. I didn't deny or ignore a thing. The other incarnations of Darth Vader would give SM a lot more trouble, I already said that.
Yeah, and i used the REAL Spiderman...you know, the one from the same day and age as the Darth Vader one.
Originally posted by who?-kidAnd why are you complaining ? I already gave a fight scenario. Read the entire thread instead of polishing your Darth Vader altar 😉
oops...sorry, didn't notice you giving me a fight scenario....could you please quote the post in which you did? Cause i can't really find it.
Originally posted by who?-kidIt's not like YOU are pulling one plausible fight scenario after the other out of your ass 😄
I just posted one, yes. However, seeing as how i'm not aware of any of your posted fight scenarios, i see that as one more than you 🙂 .
And i don't have a DV altar btw. I actually like Spidey a bit better than DV. But i try to be as non-biased as possible.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Yeah, and i used the REAL Spiderman...you know, the one from the same day and age as the Darth Vader one.
And i don't have a DV altar btw. I actually like Spidey a bit better than DV. But i try to be as non-biased as possible.
oops...sorry, didn't notice you giving me a fight scenario....could you please quote the post in which you did? Cause i can't really find it.