Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I apologize, I misunderstood you then.I don't think there's any such thing as 'easier to make it look good on.' Xbox has been around longer, hence why developers are able to understand its system much more than PS3. While its true that PS3 exclusives look spectacular in most cases, 360's exclusives also are the same. I'm assuming you haven't seen Gears of War 2, or Mass Effect 2 (Not to sure about ME2, but Gears looks great)
All I've seen of Mass Effect 2 were some low-res, camera-captured videos. Anyway, ME didn't look very great even on the PC with everything maxed out with AA, AF and on 1680x1050 res. People's faces look like they're made out of clay and there are plenty of vomit-inducing, low-res texture objects to behold. Bleh.
well after watching some of the new content coming out for the ps3, i am confident that it will end up the winner, they are coming out with a motion controller that puts the wii to shame thanks to the ps3 procesing abilities. and Mag.....ahhhhh i cant wait, this game is going to be the lagest fps game EVER!! to that point up to 255 players playing at one time with not lag (depending on the individuals internet) and the awesome compatability with the psp is just so convenient (if you have both) that there is no other way to go imo
and thats the ONLY reason people dont buy them, even tho its totally worth the money, people see the price and dont bother learning anything about it, the bluray player that comes in the ps3 is top of the line nothing cheaply made about the ps3, and a top of the line blueray player is $250 and thats just the blueray, and an xbox is $199-$299, now if the ps3 was equal as far as capabilitie without the blueray (which it is superior) then adding the bluray into it with the price of it it would be minimum $449, and $549 with the more expencive xbox, now the cheaper ps3 is $399 and the more expencive one is $499, so really it is cheaper than the xbox, plus the xbox is just cheaply made and not capable of the same graphic quality as the ps3.
even though i beleive the ps3 "should" be winning and that it could get there in the future, i do agree that it has lost up to this point.
Originally posted by ScreamPastewell i was going to link you a video on youtube about the ps3 motion controller but im to new a member, so if you wish you could look up ps3 motion controller and you will see how much better it is than the wii-mote
The ps3 already /tried/ ripping off the Wii's motion controls and failed the first time, too. They don't have the patience to actually work with the controller properly..
All that 'processing power' adds up to squat in the end because it's not what the PS3 was designed for. It's all for graphics, the connections for it's controller ports aren't any better than the connections for say.. a Ps2. Motion sensitivity has always been a second thoguht with the PS3, the Wii was designed for it, and as such has the apprioriate on board software and hardware.
..Not to mention a library of games.
Originally posted by menokokoro
and thats the ONLY reason people dont buy them, even tho its totally worth the money, people see the price and dont bother learning anything about it, the bluray player that comes in the ps3 is top of the line nothing cheaply made about the ps3, and a top of the line blueray player is $250 and thats just the blueray, and an xbox is $199-$299, now if the ps3 was equal as far as capabilitie without the blueray (which it is superior) then adding the bluray into it with the price of it it would be minimum $449, and $549 with the more expencive xbox, now the cheaper ps3 is $399 and the more expencive one is $499, so really it is cheaper than the xbox, plus the xbox is just cheaply made and not capable of the same graphic quality as the ps3.even though i beleive the ps3 "should" be winning and that it could get there in the future, i do agree that it has lost up to this point.
You make no sense whatsoever.
A PS3 is more expensive than a 360. Full stop. Adding on a blu-ray player isn't going to change that, because blu-ray is pretty irrelevant and you can get a good player for under $200 now.
PS3 graphics have yet to show themselves to be regularly better than 360 graphics, btw.
Popular consensus is that the price of the PS3, coupled with the game selection, makes it not worth it.
Originally posted by menokokoro
well i was going to link you a video on youtube about the ps3 motion controller but im to new a member, so if you wish you could look up ps3 motion controller and you will see how much better it is than the wii-mote
But it isn't at all. The PS3's motion controls are notoriously horrible and half-assed.
you obviously have not seen that video, look it up its an e3 demo and its amazing.
and as for the blue ray player price $200 dollars is still enough to make it worth it for the ps3, and if the xbox had a blue ray player in it there is no way it would still be the same price.
and the only reason that there havent been regular games that are better quality is because game developers dont want to put the time into it, and most make the games for both consoles, and thats why i said "potential" graphics....at least i think i did lol
Originally posted by menokokoro
you obviously have not seen that video, look it up its an e3 demo and its amazing.and as for the blue ray player price $200 dollars is still enough to make it worth it for the ps3, and if the xbox had a blue ray player in it there is no way it would still be the same price.
and the only reason that there havent been regular games that are better quality is because game developers dont want to put the time into it, and most make the games for both consoles, and thats why i said "potential" graphics....at least i think i did lol
The Blu-Ray player itself is not worth the price. It doesn't offer enough of a bonus over normal DVDs to warrant buying, except for those tech-head consumers who must have every new thing simply because it's new.
You can in no way pin the faults of the PS3 on the developers. Sony game them a horrible machine to work with, which is not developer-friendly at all, and it's far too much work to expect developers to maximize a game for the Core processor when the processor was not built to cooperate with them. This is a failure of the hardware, not the developers, and is yet another issue inherent in the PS3 that make it not worth buying.
Furthermore, even games developed in-house for the PS3 cannot offer graphics appreciably better than the 360. The simple fact is that the PS3 failed to deliver on its initial promises, and Sony is rightly suffering as a result of their cockiness.
are you kidding blueray is definately worth it, at least for gaming i mean look at games like mgs4 which is on one disk and is over 100 gigs of info on the single disk, and you dont think that capability is worth $100? or mag up to 255 players playing on one map, that is only possible on the ps3. and your point with the fact that its harder to work with is kind of what i was saying, but the way you said it it sounds like they did made a prosesor that doesnt work just because they are stupid, no they made it that way because, if the "game developers" put the time into it like i said, the product is potentially better. given that most of what the procesor is capable of you wouldnt notice at a glance its all small things like calculating how glass would break and so on, but it is still capable of more
...You do realize that even a dual-layer Blu-Ray disc holds only 50Gb worth of data, right?
And MGS4 was the first (and, I believe, currently only) game to even fill a Blu-Ray disc. This was largely due to 9 hours of mostly-uncompressed cutscenes.
Apart from MGS4, there just hasn't been a game to warrant Blu-Ray's data storage. It's theoretically possible that Sony could create games using high-resolution assets that could fill a Blu-Ray disc, theoretically resulting in a game of much higher overall quality than what the 360 can give, but as, over the years, they have yet to do any such thing, it seems that in practical terms this simply is not the case. The PS3 is too much technology, for too little return.
I'm studying to be a game designer. I've looked at the Core processor specs and architecture. It's built to optimize output, but input and active data sharing was not at the forefront of thought. The eight subprocessors have strict limitations about how they can be used, which make it extremely difficult for developers to allocate specific data usage evenly.
Originally posted by General Kalierohm, i could have sworn i read somewhere that it was over 100 gigs, oh well, but still thats crazy, it would take 5 dvds to do that.
...You do realize that even a dual-layer Blu-Ray disc holds only 50Gb worth of data, right?
Originally posted by General Kalierothats true, did you knwo that kojima had to cut stuff from the game cuz it didnt fit on the disk? anyway the fact that it has been done shows that it can be done, and can you imagine what they could do with it? gta filling a blue ray disk, only problem with that is that it would take FOREVER to make but the results would be amazing
And MGS4 was the first (and, I believe, currently only) game to even fill a Blu-Ray disc. This was largely due to 9 hours of mostly-uncompressed cutscenes.
Originally posted by General Kalierokillzone2 is far more than any dvd could handle, and little big plannet is over 40 gigs, in heavenly sword 10 gigs was taken up by just the sound file, i think i remember that resistance was over 20 gigs. so obviously bluray can and is being used, my point is that its not being used as much as it should be imo
Apart from MGS4, there just hasn't been a game to warrant Blu-Ray's data storage. It's theoretically possible that Sony could create games using high-resolution assets that could fill a Blu-Ray disc, theoretically resulting in a game of much higher overall quality than what the 360 can give, but as, over the years, they have yet to do any such thing, it seems that in practical terms this simply is not the case. The PS3 is too much technology, for too little return.
Originally posted by General Kalierook fair enough, but it still makes a better product does it not? i understand that its hard to make games for it but my point is that if more people did do it, making a game like mgs4 or killzone2, or mag, then the ps3 would be and should be dominating because the potential is much higher than xbox
I'm studying to be a game designer. I've looked at the Core processor specs and architecture. It's built to optimize output, but input and active data sharing was not at the forefront of thought. The eight subprocessors have strict limitations about how they can be used, which make it extremely difficult for developers to allocate specific data usage evenly.
You realize that the only reason these games are taking up as much space as they are is because Sony is purposely keeping them uncompressed so they take up as much room as possible so they can go "Look, we can fill an entire blu-ray!", right?
If they actually compressed everything properly (and these days compression techniques are very good), they'd all fit on a standard DVD without issue.
Originally posted by Peachwhere did you hear that?
You realize that the only reason these games are taking up as much space as they are is because Sony is purposely keeping them uncompressed so they take up as much room as possible so they can go "Look, we can fill an entire blu-ray!", right?If they actually compressed everything properly (and these days compression techniques are very good), they'd all fit on a standard DVD without issue.
Originally posted by menokokoro
RAFL, thats awesome im saving that pic, and as far as killzone 2 on dvd, you should look it up before you try and shoot down what i say, the one level that is shown in the demo is 2 gigs, if they made that on the xbox the game couldnt be more than 4 levels long, and that would be pushing it
If they started using something called "compression", then I'm sure it would fit on the Xbox360 quite nicely. Now if the Xbox360 could handle KZ2 is another question entirely.
Look, Crysis was fit on a single DVD and it puts KZ2 to shame in almost every aspect.