right...sure he would lose. it took a host of most of DC's heroes and villains from all timelines to merely delay him. they even broke them down in categories magic users, energy weilders, EM spectrum manipulators...etc. even after the spectre had stepped in it only inconvenienced him breifly, if it wasnt for lex luthor's uber powerful kid they never would have stood a chance at defeating him. and even though they did defeat him it was only due to the fact that he had no more energy to absorb so im sure he's still out there some where.
unless Marvel is gonna play cheap and bring in someonne who is akin to him like the Beyonder, or LT there is no way they're winning. I mean how do you beat a guy who created his own universe with enrgies he can absorb at his whim? not easily thats how
Yet creating or destroying a universe is nothing to a phoenix avatar. Jean as phoenix of the white crown telekinetically reformed a universe and rewound its timeline to get rid of a possible future. This was done on a whim. This happened in New Xmen at the end of the 'Here Comes Tomorrow ' story arc
The M'kraan crystal when unleashed was momentarily blinking out the multiverse and all its alternate realities. Despite Jean contained this effect and reenergised the energy matrix which held the neutron galaxy in place. She basically held together existence as it was coming apart at the seams. That is one of the highest feats ever achieved by any being in Marvel Comics.
Phoenix was also the being responsible for linking all the alternate realities and universes in the multiverse together. It projected a doorway through each every different reality.
The anti monitor pales in comparison to what jean as the phoenix of the white crown can do. Sorry guys.
to my knowledge phoenix has never created universes, what the hell are you talking about?its easy to destroy a universe when you have all that power but lets see her destroy countless universes with little or no effort. or without having to go to the crux of existence to do it
im probably going out on a limb here but you havent read crisis on infinite earths have you? maybe phoenix with the entire MU at her side could do it, but she'd no match for him all by herself.and only a fool would think other wise......FOOL I SAY!
"to my knowledge"
Exactly to your knowledge. Which is obviously lacking in the necessary areas for you to be debating fairly on this thread. You also cant read Xmen for you to not know that Jean recreated a universe telekinetically, reversed its time to get rid of a future. This was done on a whim. 'Here Comes Tomorrow story arc. New Xmen. Pick up a copy
creating a universe from scratch is totally different from"telekinetically reforming" an already existing universe thats falling apart. a gigantic feat i admit(especially since ive read it) but you said creating a universe is nothing for a phoneix avatar, then i said to my knowledge she hasnt created any universes. so whats the issue here? im not denying that phenix is powerful but not powerful enuff to beat him all by her lonesome
Originally posted by manjaro
creating a universe from scratch is totally different from"telekinetically reforming" an already existing universe thats falling apart. a gigantic feat i admit(especially since ive read it) but you said creating a universe is nothing for a phoneix avatar, then i said to my knowledge she hasnt created any universes. so whats the issue here? im not denying that phenix is powerful but not powerful enuff to beat him all by her lonesome
You've been away Manjaro you've missed all the recent Phoenix threads. Id hav a lil look if i was u. You need to update your knowledge of phoenix. Phoenix is one with all life in the multiverse. Its the primal force of creation. The Phoenix is also the resurrection force. The assurance of life after death in the multiverse. When the Stranger wanted to kill all the other abstract entities in Xmen forever and createa new universe where he was the supreme being he chose the phoenix force to do this. The phoenix is the force that ends all that is and it is the force that creates it again. Read Xmen Forever to find this out. It is for reasons like this that the watcher called the phoenix in power to be second only to the creator. Over the years the phoenixes origins and relationship with jean have been retconned, but never its power.
<<The M'kraan crystal when unleashed was momentarily blinking out the multiverse and all its alternate realities.>>
no offense GS because obviously you didn't write the story arc, but that sounds pretty frickin' lame . . . the whole multiverse AND the alternate realities?? that's essentially infinity and probably IS 0000000000a greater feat than AM's in crisis. no wonder i've never ever liked the xmen . . . or phoenix.
about creating universes though - franklin richards did it quite easily when the need was on him. from what i know of all the characters involved here, AM is still tops though (in a nod to galacticstorm though, my recent knowledge of phoenix IS lacking and perhaps she/it can contend with him) AM was and remains one of the mightiest beings ever created in any comic universe. if you throw all the marvel universe at him though (all the cosmics as well) i don't think AM could win. someone could reform the infinity gauntlet, use the ultimate nullifier and these 2 weapons alone have proven able to destroy universes.
i don't think it's a very fair thread to be honest only because of the explosion of cosmic level beings in the last few years. nowadays characters like AM (capable of destroying/remaking universes) seem to pop up all the time - back in the day though, AM was the man and remains one of my all-time faves.
Am has sat on the Source Wall
While others got an upgrade lol, He still is the bomb 😄
Originally posted by leonidas
<<The M'kraan crystal when unleashed was momentarily blinking out the multiverse and all its alternate realities.>>no offense GS because obviously you didn't write the story arc, but that sounds pretty frickin' lame . . . the whole multiverse AND the alternate realities?? that's essentially infinity and probably IS 0000000000a greater feat than AM's in crisis. no wonder i've never ever liked the xmen . . . or phoenix.
about creating universes though - franklin richards did it quite easily when the need was on him. from what i know of all the characters involved here, AM is still tops though (in a nod to galacticstorm though, my recent knowledge of phoenix IS lacking and perhaps she/it can contend with him) AM was and remains one of the mightiest beings ever created in any comic universe. if you throw all the marvel universe at him though (all the cosmics as well) i don't think AM could win. someone could reform the infinity gauntlet, use the ultimate nullifier and these 2 weapons alone have proven able to destroy universes.
i don't think it's a very fair thread to be honest only because of the explosion of cosmic level beings in the last few years. nowadays characters like AM (capable of destroying/remaking universes) seem to pop up all the time - back in the day though, AM was the man and remains one of my all-time faves.
Anti-Monitor would win big time its really stuipd this PF reconn now She is the ultimate force in the mulitiverse second to TOAA yeah right anyway DC is not part of the MU multiverse so yeah and DC is also known to be more powerful then The MU so if Anti-Monitor could destroy the Pre-crisis DCU witch was even more powerful then the current not withstanding some already uber powerful characters like The Spectre, Lucifer Morningstar and the like.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yet creating or destroying a universe is nothing to a phoenix avatar. Jean as phoenix of the white crown telekinetically reformed a universe and rewound its timeline to get rid of a possible future. This was done on a whim. This happened in New Xmen at the end of the 'Here Comes Tomorrow ' story arcThe M'kraan crystal when unleashed was momentarily blinking out the multiverse and all its alternate realities. Despite Jean contained this effect and reenergised the energy matrix which held the neutron galaxy in place. She basically held together existence as it was coming apart at the seams. That is one of the highest feats ever achieved by any being in Marvel Comics.
Phoenix was also the being responsible for linking all the alternate realities and universes in the multiverse together. It projected a doorway through each every different reality.
The anti monitor pales in comparison to what jean as the phoenix of the white crown can do. Sorry guys.
I agree.
[QUOTE=3883083]Originally posted by leonidas
[B]<<The M'kraan crystal when unleashed was momentarily blinking out the multiverse and all its alternate realities.>>
no offense GS because obviously you didn't write the story arc, but that sounds pretty frickin' lame . . . the whole multiverse AND the alternate realities?? that's essentially infinity and probably IS 0000000000a greater feat than AM's in crisis. no wonder i've never ever liked the xmen . . . or phoenix.
All that talk on bashing supes and how only older comic fans have respect.Now I see your true colors!
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