Football (Soccer)

Originally posted by Deano
nah im not upset now, never said i was did i? im saying that they are unproffesionals and cheats who like to mock a team after they beat them.how is that holding a pathetic grudge? i was using that as an example of how they try and wind a team up but soon shut up if you beat them.

Hahahahahahaha, as if England never ever do it. You're mocking and disrespecting Argentina right now. If England never won, you'd not be saying this. Argentina have had a better team more frequently than England have, and they have certain players such as Riquelme and Messi who are better than anyone England has. Branding them ALL cheats because of an age old grudge is pathetic.

When England beat Argentina last time, jammily, The Sun were taking the piss for about a week. Stop being such a goddamn hypocrite. If (although it could easily be 'when'😉 Brazil knock England out. I'm gonna come on here and do exactly to England what you have done to Argentina. You've branded Argentina for an age old grudge so when England inevitably get knocked out, I'm gonna brand them with the age old "you can't win anything" stick. Which is more true.

Originally posted by Deano
i want england to win and do well, thats the fun and excitement of football. just as you are passionate about music. if that means being a typical patriotic brit in your eyes then so be it. i'll be cheering them on come 2006 while you will probably be slagging them off and cheering for brazil or argentina.

When did cheering for whoever you like become a bad thing? You may think that you have to support England but you don't. You choose to. It's a game, not a war. I have supported Brazil since 94. They've always been a team I love watching. I don't think England ever deserve to win anything because they never play like they do. They have a better team now than they have in a long time but they won't get anywhere because of a shit manager. The thing I hate is the fans, the typical subconscious hypocrite racists. You proved how much of a hypocrite you are in the first part I quoted.

You say "I'll be cheering them on" as if it makes you a better person than me.

Originally posted by Deano
but as proffesionals teams shud show more respect after they knocked a team out of the cup. and i do no it is a game, im not saying otherwise, but you still want to win and do yourself proud

Since when were you involved in the England soccer team? You're JUST an armchair supporter, people forget that. You say "We" and "you want to win don't you?" Who? You aren't winning, you're not part of the team. You're just a fan. That's how I know it's not just a game to you people.

Teams should show more respect, but I don't recall you complaining that Owen took the piss out of Azerbajaan. You're not showing respect to any other teams. You're still branding Argentina as cheats over something Maradona did years ago.

-AC

i've only been to one soccor match, and it amazes me how all the fat bastards in the crowd know or could do better than the athletes on the pitch can.

most england fans i've come across live through football, and while i applaud you for supporting them in this way, i also condemn you for being TOO passionate. its like their lives revolve around football. theres more to going to pub and watchin your favourite team play. deano, this isn't targeted at you. just so you know

Exactly.

All these idiots who moan about players leaving their teams and refering to teams as "we" with extreme passion always fail to realise that while they sit there in a chair, applauding the team, those players are wearing the kit, winning the games, playing the games and doing more for the team than even the most obsessed armchair fan.

Unless you're wearing a kit on the pitch during a game, there's no "we".

-AC

all i'm saying is dont live through your team. i've heard of friends whose father pay more attention to the scores on a saturday than they did to their own kids.... which is sickening. there are fans out there who are passionate, but dont live their dreams through their teams, and this is thankfully (and hopefully) a minority.

Come to East London. It's so far from a minority that it's horrifying.

The Sun are more or less the worst of the bunch.

-AC

Originally posted by darth_royke
all i'm saying is dont live through your team. i've heard of friends whose father pay more attention to the scores on a saturday than they did to their own kids.... which is sickening. there are fans out there who are passionate, but dont live their dreams through their teams, and this is thankfully (and hopefully) a minority.

yeh that is bad. but you can still love the game without neglecting your kids😄

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahahahahahaha, as if England never ever do it. You're mocking and disrespecting Argentina right now. If England never won, you'd not be saying this. Argentina have had a better team more frequently than England have, and they have certain players such as Riquelme and Messi who are better than anyone England has. Branding them ALL cheats because of an age old grudge is pathetic.

no im branding them cheats because that what they are. riquelme and messi are great but rooney is better in my opinion. and england are overall better than the argies. plus we have great wingers in phillips and cole. even the argies goals were fortunate. brazil are the best team by far. sven playing bridge stupidly.would the winger of got past ash cole that easy? i dont think so. for the second goal, did king foul the argie player? imo no he didnt. yes argentina haev great players, but so do england, spain, italy, brazil, the dutch. i dunno what point your tryin to make. any of those teams can win. including england.

When England beat Argentina last time, jammily, The Sun were taking the piss for about a week. Stop being such a goddamn hypocrite. If (although it could easily be 'when'😉 Brazil knock England out. I'm gonna come on here and do exactly to England what you have done to Argentina. You've branded Argentina for an age old grudge so when England inevitably get knocked out, I'm gonna brand them with the age old "you can't win anything" stick. Which is more true.

yes the sun were, your missing the point so badly here, its hilarious. im talking about the players unsporting behaviour. so im no hypocrite mate. it doesnt matter what team it is, i would slate anyone team who behaved like that. what you mean england inevitably knocked out?how can you say that? i suppose you knew greece would of won the euros.

When did cheering for whoever you like become a bad thing? You may think that you have to support England but you don't. You choose to. It's a game, not a war. I have supported Brazil since 94. They've always been a team I love watching. I don't think England ever deserve to win anything because they never play like they do. They have a better team now than they have in a long time but they won't get anywhere because of a shit manager. The thing I hate is the fans, the typical subconscious hypocrite racists. You proved how much of a hypocrite you are in the first part I quoted.

You say "I'll be cheering them on" as if it makes you a better person than me.

yeh its easier to support the best team isnt it because at the end if they win you can mock england and say ' i told you so'. i love wathing brazil but im not gonna be cheering for them, only people who have no passion for the game do that. its as if your scared to support england because people will label you patriotic, its as if you wanna hide and be different. if you go into a england vs brazil game wanting brazil to win then that is really shameful. i dont understand it. if you was a neutral and said i dont care who wins, then fair enough. i think its more fun to support the country you live in. i hate glory supporters with a passion.
you dont have to patriotic but cheering for your country makes it more exciting then cheering for a for a team thats better. we sure do look at the game differently.

Since when were you involved in the England soccer team? You're JUST an armchair supporter, people forget that. You say "We" and "you want to win don't you?" Who? You aren't winning, you're not part of the team. You're just a fan. That's how I know it's not just a game to you people.

what the hell you babbling on about now, i know im not part of the team. you dont have to take every world literaly. chill out. im no armchair supporter. ive been to a fair few games in the past. it is a game to me, i know it is. im not gonna go into a fit of depression if we , sorry, if england lose, like some nutters. theres nothing wrong about being passionate about watching england play, you are making out as if it is a problem. i love the game of football, theres nothing wrong with that.

Teams should show more respect, but I don't recall you complaining that Owen took the piss out of Azerbajaan. You're not showing respect to any other teams. You're still branding Argentina as cheats over something Maradona did years ago.

nah im branding them cheats over the recent friendly game, the fiasco before the game and the sorin incident when he tryed to punch the ball in the net intentially!!! yes owen should of not took the piss but that was only 1 player who made one mistake. when an whole team does it right in front of your face then its not very right is it

Originally posted by Deano
no im branding them cheats because that what they are. riquelme and messi are great but rooney is better in my opinion. and england are overall better than the argies. plus we have great wingers in phillips and cole. even the argies goals were fortunate. brazil are the best team by far. sven playing bridge stupidly.would the winger of got past ash cole that easy? i dont think so. for the second goal, did king foul the argie player? imo no he didnt. yes argentina haev great players, but so do england, spain, italy, brazil, the dutch. i dunno what point your tryin to make. any of those teams can win. including england.

THINK about what you are saying. You are calling them ALL cheats, a CHEATING team. Why? Where is your evidence that they all cheat, all the time?

Referees making bad calls against England doesn't equate to Argentina cheating. I watched a repeat of that game and England were getting dominated for a bulk of it. You even refering to them as "argies" could be seen as derogatory. Sven is a shit manager.

As for Rooney being better than Riquelme and Messi, laughable. Rooney is very good. He's not better than Riquelme or Messi overall.

Originally posted by Deano
Yes the sun were, your missing the point so badly here, its hilarious. im talking about the players unsporting behaviour. so im no hypocrite mate. it doesnt matter what team it is, i would slate anyone team who behaved like that.

I've never seen you slate Rooney for being a completely simple minded thug on the football pitch.

Originally posted by Deano
what you mean england inevitably knocked out? how can you say that? i suppose you knew greece would of won the euros.

That was almost as lucky as Liverpool winning the C.L this year. England get knocked out of every major tournament around the middle or after. They never win and unless they get a better manager who is gonna play according to talent, not status, they never will.

Originally posted by Deano
yeh its easier to support the best team isnt it because at the end if they win you can mock england and say ' i told you so'. i love wathing brazil but im not gonna be cheering for them, only people who have no passion for the game do that. its as if your scared to support england because people will label you patriotic, its as if you wanna hide and be different. if you go into a england vs brazil game wanting brazil to win then that is really shameful. i dont understand it. if you was a neutral and said i dont care who wins, then fair enough. i think its more fun to support the country you live in. i hate glory supporters with a passion.
you dont have to patriotic but cheering for your country makes it more exciting then cheering for a for a team thats better. we sure do look at the game differently.

What a way to walk right smack into my point. Thanks.

You say it's as if I'm scared to look patriotic, but how hypocritical are you being? You are dissing me and disrespecting me for CHOOSING to support who I want to support, that in itself is patriotic. If I cared about what people thought, I'd not openly say "I support Brazil" would I? I support them because for the longest time, since 1994, I have supported them. I have nothing against the England TEAM at all. You are passing it off as glory supporting because YOU are scared that someone can actually make the choice NOT to blindly follow the English soccer team.

Because that is what they are. A soccer team. 11 men who happen to have been born here and play soccer for this country. Me not supporting them doesn't mean I'm not supporting my country. It means I'm not dedicating myself to 11 sports personalities from this country. If you feel that you are obligated to cheer for those 11 men just because you were, by chance, born in the same country, then THAT is shameful. Especially for someone speaking so freely about freedom, you're so quick to oppress.

I don't support Brazil because they are better, I support them because I love their team. They went through horrific patch circa Copa America cup around the late nineties I believe, I still supported them. When they lost to China, I still supported them. I couldn't give a shit if they weren't as good, I like the team. I don't like England's team enough to support them. At least I've made an independant choice rather than being conditioned to believe I have to support a bunch of brylcream and persil salesmen who get felched into being in the team.

You are no more a fan than me just because you support a different team. It's like saying a Londoner who supports Liverpool doesn't love the game as much as one who supports Arsenal.

Originally posted by Deano
what the hell you babbling on about now, i know im not part of the team. you dont have to take every world literaly. chill out. im no armchair supporter. ive been to a fair few games in the past. it is a game to me, i know it is. im not gonna go into a fit of depression if we , sorry, if england lose, like some nutters. theres nothing wrong about being passionate about watching england play, you are making out as if it is a problem. i love the game of football, theres nothing wrong with that.

No, there's not. But being subconsciouly derogatory toward teams and people who choose to support teams different to you, is bad.

Originally posted by Deano
nah im branding them cheats over the recent friendly game, the fiasco before the game and the sorin incident when he tryed to punch the ball in the net intentially!!! yes owen should of not took the piss but that was only 1 player who made one mistake. when an whole team does it right in front of your face then its not very right is it

Fiasco BEFORE the game? Nothing to do with the game then is it. Good, moving on.

Stop saying it was the whole team. Sorin made a wrong decision, so what? Blame Sorin. Don't blame Argentina. If I blamed the England team for Beckham being a useless mug, you'd say "You're wrong."

-AC

edit.

Originally posted by Deano
all part of the game? yeh in sunday league pub football maybe. but as proffesionals teams shud show more respect after they knocked a team out of the cup. and i do no it is a game, im not saying otherwise, but you still want to win and do yourself proud

I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore.

Ian Wright said it best.

"Feel a bit bad for how we smashed Standard Liage but whatever, we don't really care about them."

Why do you have the idea teams should show "respect" when knocking a team out? If England play shit and get whooped, why should the team say "Nah, did good."?

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore.

do you have a purpose being here?

Why are you getting pissy just because the stuff you are saying is hypocritical, biased and contradictory?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
THINK about what you are saying. You are calling them ALL cheats, a CHEATING team. Why? Where is your evidence that they all cheat, all the time?

Referees making bad calls against England doesn't equate to Argentina cheating. I watched a repeat of that game and England were getting dominated for a bulk of it. You even refering to them as "argies" could be seen as derogatory. Sven is a shit manager.

As for Rooney being better than Riquelme and Messi, laughable. Rooney is very good. He's not better than Riquelme or Messi overall.

I've never seen you slate Rooney for being a completely simple minded thug on the football pitch.

That was almost as lucky as Liverpool winning the C.L this year. England get knocked out of every major tournament around the middle or after. They never win and unless they get a better manager who is gonna play according to talent, not status, they never will.

What a way to walk right smack into my point. Thanks.

You say it's as if I'm scared to look patriotic, but how hypocritical are you being? You are dissing me and disrespecting me for CHOOSING to support who I want to support, that in itself is patriotic. If I cared about what people thought, I'd not openly say "I support Brazil" would I? I support them because for the longest time, since 1994, I have supported them. I have nothing against the England TEAM at all. You are passing it off as glory supporting because YOU are scared that someone can actually make the choice NOT to blindly follow the English soccer team.

Because that is what they are. A soccer team. 11 men who happen to have been born here and play soccer for this country. Me not supporting them doesn't mean I'm not supporting my country. It means I'm not dedicating myself to 11 sports personalities from this country. If you feel that you are obligated to cheer for those 11 men just because you were, by chance, born in the same country, then THAT is shameful. Especially for someone speaking so freely about freedom, you're so quick to oppress.

I don't support Brazil because they are better, I support them because I love their team. They went through horrific patch circa Copa America cup around the late nineties I believe, I still supported them. When they lost to China, I still supported them. I couldn't give a shit if they weren't as good, I like the team. I don't like England's team enough to support them. At least I've made an independant choice rather than being conditioned to believe I have to support a bunch of brylcream and persil salesmen who get felched into being in the team.

You are no more a fan than me just because you support a different team. It's like saying a Londoner who supports Liverpool doesn't love the game as much as one who supports Arsenal.

No, there's not. But being subconsciouly derogatory toward teams and people who choose to support teams different to you, is bad.

Fiasco BEFORE the game? Nothing to do with the game then is it. Good, moving on.

Stop saying it was the whole team. Sorin made a wrong decision, so what? Blame Sorin. Don't blame Argentina. If I blamed the England team for Beckham being a useless mug, you'd say "You're wrong."

-AC

rooney is better than riquleme and messi. he has a fiery temperament but thats part of what makes him a great player. i know who id rather have in my team. i just dont understand that you have to cheer a team on because they are superior. i just dont like that.
and sorin obviously holds a grudge because he woudnt of tryed what he did it in any other game.

im born in england, if i was to support anyone then it would be them. i woudnt feel right cheering for anyone else. but if you like doing that then fine. you know how i feel. im not patriotic, i woudnt die for this country.

and liverpool wasnt lucky at all, i didnt see any luck involved in there wins. greece wasnt lucky either, they was tactically superior and thats why they won.

theres no point arguin over it anymore, different opinions = arguing forever

you gonna be hanging ya brazil flag out your window come june? 😄
if i see it then i'll wrap it around ya neck! 😛

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you getting pissy just because the stuff you are saying is hypocritical, biased and contradictory?

-AC

lol im not getting pissyat all. especially when i know what you are saying is baffling to me. you are making this up as you go along.
ya glory supporting git!

it seems vvd doesnt really wanna commit to the discussion. just take random pops.

Originally posted by Deano
rooney is better than riquleme and messi. he has a fiery temperament but thats part of what makes him a great player. i know who id rather have in my team. i just dont understand that you have to cheer a team on because they are superior. i just dont like that.
and sorin obviously holds a grudge because he woudnt of tryed what he did it in any other game.

You'd rather have him cos he's English and if you say otherwise you're a liar.

When Rooney acts like a bastard it "makes him a great player". When Sorin does it, he's a cheater? Give me a break. The amount of times I've seen Rooney dive and them intimidate the ref into giving penalties are plentiful. Why are you saying Sorin holds a grudge? You're just bitter and I'd go so far as to say passively racist.

I don't cheer them on because they are superior, you ignored me. I cheer them on because I like them better. Just like my friend likes Tottenham better than I like Arsenal. All you can say is "It's a different country." Exactly, so you're just being a blind, biased patriot. If you love the game you should appreciate appreciation, no matter who it's for.

Originally posted by Deano
im born in england, if i was to support anyone then it would be them. i woudnt feel right cheering for anyone else. but if you like doing that then fine. you know how i feel. im not patriotic, i woudnt die for this country.

Well there you go then. Stop calling it my country. I was born here, I could have been born anywhere. It just happened to be here. The point is, it's YOUR choice to support whoever you want and why. Same as me.

Originally posted by Deano
and liverpool wasnt lucky at all, i didnt see any luck involved in there wins. greece wasnt lucky either, they was tactically superior and thats why they won.

Greece aren't actually the best European soccer team, which is what their trophy implies. Liverpool beat Chelsea by a goal that wasn't a goal. They're a f*cking shit team. Hence why they get wrecked in the league. They used luck in the C.L, because you don't have to maintain a score. Just win by any means possible and you're through.

Originally posted by Deano
theres no point arguin over it anymore, different opinions = arguing forever

you gonna be hanging ya brazil flag out your window come june? 😄
if i see it then i'll wrap it around ya neck! 😛

I wore my Brazil shirt the day they knocked England out. Unlike most people, I stand by what I believe in. I got called a c*nt, some guy even tried to run me over. Just makes me wanna cheer for Brazil even more.

Only in England are there vicious soccer hooligans by the plenty. There are very few other countries who have them. That's not love for the game, thats idiocy.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You'd rather have him cos he's English and if you say otherwise you're a liar.

When Rooney acts like a bastard it "makes him a great player". When Sorin does it, he's a cheater? Give me a break. The amount of times I've seen Rooney dive and them intimidate the ref into giving penalties are plentiful. Why are you saying Sorin holds a grudge? You're just bitter and I'd go so far as to say passively racist.

most players dive, part of the game.what im talking about is the handball incident which sorin wanted to achive to emulate maradona. that was a unique incident which he only would of tryed to against england.
whats with the wild accusation, racist? not really.

I don't cheer them on because they are superior, you ignored me. I cheer them on because I like them better. Just like my friend likes Tottenham better than I like Arsenal. All you can say is "It's a different country." Exactly, so you're just being a blind, biased patriot. If you love the game you should appreciate appreciation, no matter who it's for.

why do you like them better? beacuse they are superior. stop busllshitting.. i appreciate brazil, i love watching them play, but you like cheering for them, i like cheering for england. its more fun. just because you like the way a team plays, doesnt mean you have to cheer them on. thats up you though.

Well there you go then. Stop calling it my country. I was born here, I could have been born anywhere. It just happened to be here. The point is, it's YOUR choice to support whoever you want and why. Same as me.

there you go then. as long as you understand its ok for me to support england.

Greece aren't actually the best European soccer team, which is what their trophy implies. Liverpool beat Chelsea by a goal that wasn't a goal. They're a f*cking shit team. Hence why they get wrecked in the league. They used luck in the C.L, because you don't have to maintain a score. Just win by any means possible and you're through.

you have lost all credibility, i cant even bring myself to words. liverpool are shit? you will really have to make me understand your defenition of shit. the prem is different than the champions league, you are right. different tactics need to be used, whats the problem? liverpool didnt score in the 2nd leg, so what? every team in the world as got lucky at some stage. thats football, thats life.

I wore my Brazil shirt the day they knocked England out. Unlike most people, I stand by what I believe in. I got called a c*nt, some guy even tried to run me over. So yes, it does make me happy that these mugs are upset by Brazil knocking them out.

as you would be upset if brazil got knocked out. you support them but i doubt with passion. oh yeh..talking of luck..ronaldinhos goal springs to mind.
you know what, i think im gonna be a massive fan of britney spears cos she is the most popular worldwide.

-AC [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Deano
most players dive, part of the game.what im talking about is the handball incident which sorin wanted to achive to emulate maradona. that was a unique incident which he only would of tryed to against england.
whats with the wild accusation, racist? not really.

Diving is cheating, part of the game to cheat? Sort yourself out.

Originally posted by Deano
why do you like them better? beacuse they are superior. stop busllshitting.. i appreciate brazil, i love watching them play, but you like cheering for them, i like cheering for england. its more fun. just because you like the way a team plays, doesnt mean you have to cheer them on. thats up you though.

Stop bullshitting? All you ever do is talk bullshit as demonstrated specifically in this thread and throughout these forums. You constantly contradict yourself with hypocritical statements then try to weasel out when you realise it.

I like them better because I enjoy watching them more than I enjoy watching any other team. Their style of play is what draws me to watch. I never feel entertained watching an England game. It's not their job to entertain, fair enough, but I still find it entertaining.

Another hypocricy. "Just because you like the way a team plays, doesn't mean you have to cheer for them." So why cheer for England? Because they're "your country"? That doesn't mean you have to cheer for them. Stop going back on yourself.

Originally posted by Deano
you have lost all credibility, i cant even bring myself to words. liverpool are shit? you will really have to make me understand your defenition of shit. the prem is different than the champions league, you are right. different tactics need to be used, whats the problem? liverpool didnt score in the 2nd leg, so what? every team in the world as got lucky at some stage. thats football, thats life.

I've lost nothing because what you think of me is possibly THE most irrelevent thing on the planet. I couldn't care less.

This is priceless though:

Originally posted by Deano
and liverpool wasnt lucky at all, i didnt see any luck involved in there wins.

I said Liverpool were lucky, you said they weren't, now you're saying they were. See what I mean? You're a hypocritical idiot, you have no clue what you mean. In the league TACTICS need to be used, CONSISTENCY is needed. Liverpool have neither. Hence why they got where they did through luck and only having to win the one game. You've contradicted yourself so many times it's hilarious.

Originally posted by Deano
as you would be upset if brazil got knocked out. you support them but i doubt with passion. oh yeh..talking of luck..ronaldinhos goal springs to mind.

It's not luck to pelt a ball at the net with a dozy keeper miles off his line. England were sloppy, they paid and they got showed up. England fans don't like admitting this plain and simple fact but it's true.

Owen barely scored. Rivaldo replied by tearing the midfield to shreds, crushing the defence and making Seaman look like some idiot. Not that any of this matters because they went on to do quite well if I do remember rightly.

Originally posted by Deano
you know what, i think im gonna be a massive fan of britney spears cos she is the most popular worldwide.

Do it then. But for your own sake, stop saying that this is why I support Brazil. I've said it's not, I've proven it's not.

You're done. Admit it. You are an actually stupid, hypocritical person who talks too much BS.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
do you have a purpose being here?

Yep. Pointing out that you are talking BS.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Diving is cheating, part of the game to cheat? Sort yourself out.

Stop bullshitting? All you ever do is talk bullshit as demonstrated specifically in this thread and throughout these forums. You constantly contradict yourself with hypocritical statements then try to weasel out when you realise it.

no mate, ive got nothing to weasel out of. you keep making stupid statements and i'll have to keep arguing with you to the death.

I like them better because I enjoy watching them more than I enjoy watching any other team. Their style of play is what draws me to watch. I never feel entertained watching an England game. It's not their job to entertain, fair enough, but I still find it entertaining.

i enjoy watching brazil, doesnt mean i have to support them.

Another hypocricy. "Just because you like the way a team plays, doesn't mean you have to cheer for them." So why cheer for England? Because they're "your country"? That doesn't mean you have to cheer for them. Stop going back on yourself.

look i choose not to cheer a team simply because they are superior. thats an easy way out for simple people. i cheer for england because thats how it has always been, and always will.

I've lost nothing because what you think of me is possibly THE most irrelevent thing on the planet. I couldn't care less.

This is priceless though:

I said Liverpool were lucky, you said they weren't, now you're saying they were. See what I mean? You're a hypocritical idiot, you have no clue what you mean. In the league TACTICS need to be used, CONSISTENCY is needed. Liverpool have neither. Hence why they got where they did through luck and only having to win the one game. You've contradicted yourself so many times it's hilarious.

no you was implying that they was lucky in the overall tournament but you could only use that goal incident to back up you weak once again pathetic claim. i was saying that overall they wasnt lucky in winning the tournament ok they was lucky once. one piece of luck doesnt give you the champions league title. liverpool had consistency.

It's not luck to pelt a ball at the net with a dozy keeper miles off his line. England were sloppy, they paid and they got showed up. England fans don't like admitting this plain and simple fact but it's true.

Owen barely scored. Rivaldo replied by tearing the midfield to shreds, crushing the defence and making Seaman look like some idiot. Not that any of this matters because they went on to do quite well if I do remember rightly.

it is luck when you meant to cross the ball, and the ball goes in the net. i admit england was poor and brazil outclassed them. the point im making is that everyone gets some luck. i'll hold my hands up and say they were outclassed. why do you think im afraid to admit this?

Do it then. But for your own sake, stop saying that this is why I support Brazil. I've said it's not, I've proven it's not.
You're done. Admit it. You are an actually stupid, hypocritical person who talks too much BS.

you havent proven anything, i know better. you love brazil because they play the best football meaning they are the best side which is why you like them. i'll admit that im a hypocritical person who talks to much bullshit when you admit that you are clueless when it comes to football. And who talks to much bullshit. which i can prove, all i have to do is quote some of your earlier posts. stick to music