Football (Soccer)

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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And it's fine if you like him, but he's not the best player in the world.

To suggest he's better than Messi or Pato, Ronaldinho, Henry, Robinho etc is ludicrous.

What game? I'm talking about scoring.

Yes, a Newcastle in turmoil. Not to mention that Man United undeservedly (But obviously) have a psychological edge over teams BECAUSE they are Man United. The only teams that don't seem to give a shit are Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham.

Oh yeah, my bad.

Anyway, the point is, I'm not saying he isn't good, I'm saying to call him the best player in the world is silly.

-AC


ive never seen messi perform in a big game, rangers shut him down completely earlier this year.

pato, i dont know, he was pretty unimpressive when i saw him play this summer. did you catch the milan game last weekend?

ronaldhino on his day is pretty amazing, but so is ronaldo if you're talking about being on top form. id give the edge to ronaldhino there probably, but he hasnt been anywhere near hitting top form for a year and a half so..

and robinho, i dont know where you're going with that one, hes been in real madrid for like 4 years and hes finally making a bit of an impact this year. i dont think hes up there with the messis and ronaldhinos.

that would be the game you brought up in your post.

and yeah, **** west ham. thats 3 in a row. they did the double on both arsenal and man u last year and still managed to be 1 point away from relegation.

Originally posted by Phat J
ive never seen messi perform in a big game, rangers shut him down completely earlier this year.

Haha, and that means what? You think it fair to disregard everyone who has shut down C. Ronaldo, the far lesser skilled player, and yet Rangers have a good game against Messi and you pull it out?

C. Ronaldo could never score a goal like Messi did against Getafe. Messi could score anything Ronaldo has done, and probably has in La Liga and for Argentina.

Originally posted by Phat J
pato, i dont know, he was pretty unimpressive when i saw him play this summer. did you catch the milan game last weekend?

Yes, he scored on his debut.

Originally posted by Phat J
ronaldhino on his day is pretty amazing, but so is ronaldo if you're talking about being on top form. id give the edge to ronaldhino there probably, but he hasnt been anywhere near hitting top form for a year and a half so..

Well yes, it'd be silly not to give Ronaldinho the edge. I'm trying to take nothing away from C. Ron here, but he is totally the flavour of the month/year. He is the one on everyone's lips, and that's come from him having a good season.

Originally posted by Phat J
and robinho, i dont know where you're going with that one, hes been in real madrid for like 4 years and hes finally making a bit of an impact this year. i dont think hes up there with the messis and ronaldhinos.

that would be the game you brought up in your post.

Ronaldo isn't up there with the Messis, Ronaldinhos, Ronaldos, Adrianos, Robinhos, Van Persies, Gattusos, Kakas etc.

He's certainly not THE best player in the world, especially as undoubtedly as you tried to put it across.

-AC

I wonder if keegan will throw a wobbler and quit again, i hope not.

I´m not a Newcastle fan, but I like Keegan, his "score more goals than the opponent" strategy is brilliant, although will come cropper against strategic playing teams.

Am looking forward to his interviews🙂

shut up. i support arsenal and i hate ronaldo but he IS the best player in the world atm. messi is probably on par with ron. but has messi had as much influence on barca as ron on man utd. rons already broke his own record for most goals scored by a midfielder. and yes ronaldo could score a goal like messi did at getafe. he can get past playas n can shoot with both feet, messis jus left footed

No, he's not the best player in the world.

He's not even truly world class at the moment, as his record against good teams is terrible.

Messi is at the start of his career compared to C.Ronaldo, he might surpass him but I doubt it. C.Ronaldo is not only both footed, but an excellent header of the ball. Which has been lacking in most "top" technical players.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Ronaldo isn't up there with the Messis, Ronaldinhos, Ronaldos, Adrianos, Robinhos, Van Persies, Gattusos, Kakas etc.

He's certainly not THE best player in the world, especially as undoubtedly as you tried to put it across.

-AC

I am agreed with everything you mostly said there my man, except the above part. Ronaldo is up there man, I would rate him round about 5th bet player in the world. He is better than Robinho in alot of factors, and Adriano is a fat shit nowadays.

I say Ronaldo WILL be the best player in about 3 years time.

in reply to another guy:
Robinho was all over the La Liga last season, sheer class man. Himelf, Raul and VanNist are a great attackin threat. I dont think Robinho is best suited for a left winger tho.

lmao at whoever said adriano is one of the top players. i wouldnt put ronaldinho up there simply coz he has underachieved for a player of his ability. imo kaka, ibrahimovic, c. ronaldo, drogba are the best players atm. name me a team they wouldnt get into.

Why are people saying C. Ron IS one of the best, or the best, as if it's fact?

No, you can felch him all you want because you're all clearly susceptible to flavours of the month. He stands out at a club where everyone has been there forever because he's young and very good, he isn't competing for a place against anybody is he? He'd never get into Arsenal or Barca, Real, Milan, Inter.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are people saying C. Ron IS one of the best, or the best, as if it's fact?

No, you can felch him all you want because you're all clearly susceptible to flavours of the month. He stands out at a club where everyone has been there forever because he's young and very good, he isn't competing for a place against anybody is he? He'd never get into Arsenal or Barca, Real, Milan, Inter.

-AC

Normally you make good points with a slight hint of bias.
This just reeks of bias.

C Ronaldo is a brilliant player, obviously things like football will always have some slight subjectivity, but he has been classed as a brilliant player by a whole host of people who know a hell of a lot more about football than you do.

I think he's great, dont think he's the best, but on current form, he's amongst the best.

Bias why? Because I mentioned Arsenal?

He'd never get in the team, I know that for a fact. If you're assuming it's because I'm trying to say he's shit, I'm not, cos I don't even think that. He wouldn't get in because there's no place for him or his kind of play. That's why it's stupid to say he'd get into any team, purely because he's having a good year and getting done up the arse by everyone who sees him.

As said before, his record against good teams is horrible.

-AC

do u kno ANYTHING about football? i ****in hate man utd n the fact they have ronaldo. u sayin he wouldnt get into arsenal is just dumb. he WOULD get into the top teams seeing how hes a top target for real madrid. if he became available i guarantee inter, real, ac, barca, maybe chelsea would be interested. ur just wrong lol.

Originally posted by Smoka Joka
do u kno ANYTHING about football? i ****in hate man utd n the fact they have ronaldo. u sayin he wouldnt get into arsenal is just dumb. he WOULD get into the top teams seeing how hes a top target for real madrid. if he became available i guarantee inter, real, ac, barca, maybe chelsea would be interested. ur just wrong lol.

No they won't. Inter, AC and Barca don't need a player like Ronaldo. Real could be possibility though.

Also, being a 'top target' for any team is based on more than just skill. It depends on if they need a player for his position, how much he will cost them etc. Saying that he's the best player in the world just because Real wants him is plain stupid.

Originally posted by Smoka Joka
do u kno ANYTHING about football? i ****in hate man utd n the fact they have ronaldo. u sayin he wouldnt get into arsenal is just dumb. he WOULD get into the top teams seeing how hes a top target for real madrid. if he became available i guarantee inter, real, ac, barca, maybe chelsea would be interested. ur just wrong lol.

Do you think that by saying "I hate Man U!", your point is somehow more credible? "OH! He hates Man U, and even HE agrees on C. Ron!", or something? No, you're a mug.

He wouldn't get into Arsenal, and it has nothing to do with his ability, he just wouldn't fit. Players that fit and succeed would have to be sacrificed in favour of him. The way they play does not suit C. Ron, end of story. You clearly have no knowledge on the team you supposedly love.

Of course they'd be "interested", he's a big name. Real Madrid wanted Beckham and Owen, too, we all know how that worked out.

Beckham fell below expectations (Surprise, surprise) and Owen is doing amazing at Madrid...*On earpiece*...what? Failure? Newcastle? New Darren Anderton? Oh...

-AC

Originally posted by Smoka Joka
do u kno ANYTHING about football? i ****in hate man utd n the fact they have ronaldo. u sayin he wouldnt get into arsenal is just dumb. he WOULD get into the top teams seeing how hes a top target for real madrid. if he became available i guarantee inter, real, ac, barca, maybe chelsea would be interested. ur just wrong lol.

Ronaldo has too big of an ego for Arsenal. Van Persie and Adebayor better suit the passing attack then he would ever be able to do, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Bias why? Because I mentioned Arsenal?

He'd never get in the team, I know that for a fact. If you're assuming it's because I'm trying to say he's shit, I'm not, cos I don't even think that. He wouldn't get in because there's no place for him or his kind of play. That's why it's stupid to say he'd get into any team, purely because he's having a good year and getting done up the arse by everyone who sees him.

As said before, his record against good teams is horrible.

-AC

I can see your point here, Arsenal play as a team where the team work and cohesion is the deciding factor not individual spouts of genius.

But imagine a team with such talented players, playing with such team work, tight knitted ,short fast passing game. It might not work but it would be a spectacle and a great feat if some manager pulled it off.

Henry had already started to ruin the Arsenal team with his style, and Cron is worse. At least Henry got lots of assists.

I noticed the German teams have a nearly 2 month winter break.
Ok the teams play friendly´s, small tournaments and have training camps in nice places like Mallarca

Do you think this an advantage or disadvantage for these teams especially for the European cups or the German national team?

Their players have time to regenerate more I suppose but come out of "the heat of battle" and maybe arn´t as sharp as with other countires.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Haha, and that means what? You think it fair to disregard everyone who has shut down C. Ronaldo, the far lesser skilled player, and yet Rangers have a good game against Messi and you pull it out?

C. Ronaldo could never score a goal like Messi did against Getafe. Messi could score anything Ronaldo has done, and probably has in La Liga and for Argentina.

Yes, he scored on his debut.

Well yes, it'd be silly not to give Ronaldinho the edge. I'm trying to take nothing away from C. Ron here, but he is totally the flavour of the month/year. He is the one on everyone's lips, and that's come from him having a good season.

Ronaldo isn't up there with the Messis, Ronaldinhos, Ronaldos, Adrianos, Robinhos, Van Persies, Gattusos, Kakas etc.

He's certainly not THE best player in the world, especially as undoubtedly as you tried to put it across.

-AC


im not disregarding anything, im just pointing out that even the great messi can get shut down in big games.

calling c ron far less skilled than messi is pushing it a bit dont you think. and ronaldo has scored similar goals, last year against fulham he took it from behnd his half way line, blew past all their defenders and scored to win the game in the last couple minutes.

yeah i just watched some of the highlights, he looked pretty good. thats exactly what milan needs, good for them.

he had his break out season last year, and hes playing even better this year, of course people are going to be talking about him. he already has as many goals this season halfway through as he did all last season. people are going to be talking about that, but just because people are talking about i dont see why you should just dismiss it as flavour of the month. i do agree with you that he hasnt proved his worth in the most important games yet, but i dont doubt that he will. ronaldo does it for portugal in the big games, im sure he'll do it for manchester.

maybe you wouldnt put ronaldo up there, but i certainly would. but i wouldnt put gattuso, robinho or van persie up there. i wouldnt put adriano up there anymore either, he'd be up there if he had his mind on the game but not with how hes been acting for the past few years. hopefully the season in sao paulo'll get him back on track.

if you look back at my post, i said he was the best player right now, not the best player in the past 5 years. right now no one is playing better football and having the same impact game in game out as c ron.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are people saying C. Ron IS one of the best, or the best, as if it's fact?

No, you can felch him all you want because you're all clearly susceptible to flavours of the month. He stands out at a club where everyone has been there forever because he's young and very good, he isn't competing for a place against anybody is he? He'd never get into Arsenal or Barca, Real, Milan, Inter.

-AC


i think he'd step into any of those teams. he would work at arsenal because his passing and movement is as good as anyone at that plays for them and would add more width to their play which they need.

he'd walk into barca because he could have such an impact they would make room for him. i would pick ronaldo over henry, but thats more a matter of opinion than anything else they're such different players.

real, they need wingers and they'd take any big name player.

inter he would walk into once again because he has enough talent and is young enough for them to fit him into their system.

you can think otherwise and thats fine, but honestly you know that any of these teams would take him because it would be stupid not to. im not saying they'd all pay the 40 million or whatever it is to get him, but he would play in their teams.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Henry had already started to ruin the Arsenal team with his style, and Cron is worse. At least Henry got lots of assists.

c ron got 20 plus assists last season.